Stereo Amp and speakers under 30k

Folks,

My first post after being a lurker for some time... I am researching a HiFi system under a shoe string budget of Rs 30,000. I am mostly into jazz/rock - classic & progressive/ Indian classical - Hindustani and Carnatic.

I am looking to buy a decent amp plus a pair of floor standers or if not affordable, a pair of decent bookshelves.

I will be travelling to the UK next month so I am hoping I can pick up the amp there and save a bit of money whcih can in turn be diverted to the speakers.

1. Will I be able to find floorstanders in my budget? (Someone mentioned Mission might have an entry level model real cheap.)
2. If I do settle in for bookshelves, will I need a sub woofer? I listen to plenty of jazz with bass solos, for example. Will bookshelves be able to bring them out while running on normal sound levels? Also, even though I am not really a movie buff(movie:music = 90:10) I would like to be able to use the setup for watching movies as well.

I would be using this setup with my PC as a source. I plan to get a decent soundcard and gradually convert my collection to FLACs.

Could you guys throw some model numbers at me on basis of which I could start auditioning(both for speakers and amps)? Up until now I haven't heard anything except for Bose Acoustimass bookshelves - does anyone have any opinions on these? (curiously no one talks bose on these forums - why?)

I guess that's a lot for a first post, so please do bear with me.

thanks

Dear Pal

You can get 2.1 Channel of Polk Audio - Monitor 50 + CS1, for that price...
But, Monitor 50 is too good for that budget...
1x6.5" Driver + 1" Tweeter... and if you take a ok-ok amp... it will rock...

Do let me know, i will get you good price..

Do let me know, any of your querrys and best deals on Audio/Video products...

Thanking You

Mridul Goel

Hi,

I am little bit skeptical about building a quality 2 channel system under 30K. You can certainly have a working system under 30K but considering your music interests, I am sure, pretty soon you will find it inadequate and then start looking for upgrades. When this happens you will loose money while selling the existing system.

One alternative, which I myself followed, is the Pre-owned way. If you search, you will find there are always some quality pre-owned components are on Sale. You can find a bargain somewhere.

I built my entire system (CD player, Amp, Speakers, Interconnects, speaker cables and equipment rack) from pre-owned components.

Hope this helps.

Regards

SUhas

Hi Suhas

I cant basically comment on your point, as i really dont have any idea about pre-owned compnents, as i never had...

I prefer to wait and collect some bucks and then buy a new system, under my limits, as what i have seen to my friends and all, that the pre-owned is an fixed recurring expense, for maintenance...

And, yes i agree under 30K, you need to be very particular about sound, but when i heard that Polk Audio - Monitor 50, with an Denon-AVR 1908, where only front floor standers were being played, they sound fantastic...
Just try and have a experience at any ProFx showroom...

Yes, But, under 30K you ca only go for 1 pair Monitor-50, and one Center Speaker...
For Sub and Amp, you need to shuffle your pocket a bit...

Thanking You

Mridul Goel

I agree with you if I am buying a pre-owned car or bike, that is more true with Diesel fueled cars and vehicles used for commercial purpose.

But for pre-owned Audio gear especially Speakers and Amps it is not that troublesome.

Even a brand new equipment might need service who knows! And it is less said the better as far as Warranty / After sales support is concerned.

After the so called Warranty is over, one is at par with any pre-owned / gray market equipment owner as far as spares and service is concerned.

Most audiophiles maintain their gears in MINT condition. In most cases ,the gear is on Sale not because of problems in the gear but the owner really want to upgrade to something else.

My own pair of Cadence ARITA bookshelf speakers is on sale on this forum. It is in MINT condition and as good as a new pair. I am selling it only because I upgraded to Electrostatic Floor standers (pre-owned of course!)

If one observes enough caution and does some research, then certainly a far better system can be had at an affordable price (30% to 60% of price of the brand new)

A good Solid state amp costing Rs 30K - 40K (NAD , CA, ROTEl, MARANTZ) can be had for 10-15K similarly a good pre-owned bookshelf speaker pair can be had for around 15K -20K or less, this way while still remaining within the budget of 30K , one can build a much better system than the brands suggested.

At present a NAD C352 amp is on Sale on this forum. A good starter amp and quite popular in India so service and support is available if at all required.

Hope this helps

SUhas

^Suhas

'Course it helps, thanks for the sane advice. Going second hand is what I might ultimately end up doing. Of course that would also mean figuring out how these items can be valued appropriately, etc.

Mridul, I'll come back to you in case I decide to go Polk audio. I checked up Monitor 50; could you kindly pm me your price?

Dear...

You just let me know, what actually is your requirement...
Fresh pcs only (No secondhands), as till date i am not dealing with second hand stuff, maybe soon i will, if i found market of them good...

Please let me know, what actually you are looking out to purchase from India, and i will get the same to you, at a better rate...

But, this time, i will not be able to disclose any of my prices, as we are expecting new price listings soon...(for dealers only)...lol

Anyways, do let me know, about your requirements, i will assure best deals...

And even if you are not particular about Floor Standers, you can even look at Wharfedale 9.1 (MRP 13K), Q Accoustics 1010i (MRP 10,330) (Best) ...
And then you can go for Center Speaker, Q Accoustics 1000i C (MRP 10,330)...

So your total 2.1 Speaker system will be minimum Rs.20,660, and then you can get an amp from out of India for something Rs.10,000...
I think that will be your good enough 2.1 system...
you can upgrade the same later as well...

Do let me know, what you think...???

Thanking You

Mridul Goel

Hi,

I've been reading this thread for some time !! always wanted to comment but didn't do so for some reasons !! But now I just couldn't stop myself from commenting !! I had to do it for obvious reasons

First of all I will strongly agree to Suhas's view point and strongly recommend to go far pre-owned for the said budget then sacrificing the quality and going in for new one just for sake of ?? ( what god only knows).

In my experience the old models are 100 times better then the new one as their build quality is Un-Equaled !! I can write a whole thesis on the Old Vs New but this not the time and right place so skipping !

Bottom line within small budget,its 100% safe and most intelligent option to go for pre-owned !!

Now coming to Mr.Mridulgoel's suggestions ! with all due respect to you !!

why are you calling a three channel setup (or speakers) as 2.1 ?? the correct definition of 2.1 or rather any .1 is , The .1 is always a sub and remains that way (untill the people who invented it decides to change) So a center channel cannot be called as .1 !!

More over why and where in the gods name did center channel come to Stereo sound ?? and why are you propagating the use of center channel ?? yes agreed that he is looking for a set-up which can play a dual role (music and movies) but in what way will center channel help in music mode ?? also when you've suggested bookshelf's from 2 companies doesn't it make sense to buy a sub rather then the center ??

Sure for movies the center does its job ( however there are other ways to get the dedicated center channel sound without using it !!) but for music ??, instead of center if the sub is bought, it not only enhances the sound of music (by compensating the lack of low frequencies of the bookshelf's ) but also can be used for movies !!

lastly when you suggest not to buy pre-owned and suggest to buy new one from abroad !! doesn't both the equations turn out to be of same risk ?? if he buys the pre-owned,he's own his own without warranty,same is the case with stuff brought abroad !!


Finally my sincere suggestion please please do not go for AVR at 10 or 12K its absolutely useless !! you'll never enjoy the sound !! to start with go for a pre-owned gear with stereo ( or two channel) as the standard option,if you carve that much for multi-channel then later on you buy a AVR for movie's while retaining the stereo Amp for music (now here again I hope you understand the idea,if not ask I'll explain)

Hope I've not offended anyone !! Am just trying to help a beginner go in the right direction !!

Regards.

@the risk of inviting wrath from many here, IMHO - if this is the max you can spend- go for the excellent Onkyo CR515 and a pair of Tannoy F1 Custom. This can take any entry level hifi seperates headon!

Hey Buddy...

All i can say is SORRY Buddy...
I know, center is not a part of a stereo system, and 2.1 refers to a sub...

but maybe i was in my dreams, so by mistake mentioned 2.1 Channel system, as to stereo...
Sorry again bro...

my limelights will get me gutter lights, if i will do like that...

Sorry Suhas...

Okies...
but, regarding the amp, i agree with suhas and you to go for a second hand amp, and i think an average stereo amp, should easily be available for 10-12K, i am not aware of second hand market, forgive me if thts not so...
Yes but reagrding speakers...
Nowadays, we are getting good enough speakers, in the range of 10K-20K, so y go for old ones..

Thats what i think, but, yes as you people mention, that the second hand stuff is really good, then i cant comment...

Please do let me know, Suhas or anyone, whu's goin in for second hand stuff...
I am planning for Myryad Amp and Dali Speakers, but they are beyond my reach...
I may go for second hand stuff, if i get good response from you people..

Thanks a lot in advance..

Thanking You

Mridul Goel