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Old 12th July 2012, 08:55 AM
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Pace 2045 amplifier


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Recently I stumbled upon this Pace 2045 amplifier when I went to audio visual showroom nearby to get some cable. I was attracted by the built quality and simple appearance.
1)It is a simple stereo integrated amplifier , rated at 45w/channel.
2)It has 3 inputs, bass, mid treble control and balance control in addition to volume control.
3) Nothing additional. Not even remote controller.
4) Looking through grills, i could see hefty torroidal transformer and heat sink but other components are not visible.

5) MRP was 7k. this attracted me. Other DNM amp, A 8080U , with MRP at 11k, has 80w/ch amplifier, tuner, SD card reader, USB reader, VFD display, remote. This made me think that for 2045, probably all the money was going into quality amplification and nothing wasted on extra, unnecessary goodies.

6)One important feature: It has 'variable line out'. So adding subwoofer is easier than fixed line out which is there on most of the stereo amps. Once you have set the gain on sub, you are done. No need to change gain on sub each time you change the amplifier volume.
It can power 2 pairs of speakers. You can select speaker A/B/A+B. The speaker terminals are very good and accept banana plugs and bare wires.

I could hardly find any information on net. I asked a forum member but he had short audition and the response was not very encouraging. He rated it as average but I don't know what was the quality of speakers it was paired to. I spoke to Mr. Dilip Bajaj of DNM . He said it is a new product and yet to be added to his web site (incidentally he also told me that the price of his hi end integrated amp is likely to be pushed to 25k from 15k due to rise in component cost).

The design was so simple and attractive that I decided to give it a try. I couldn't find a decent pre-amp for the power amp which I recently acquired and I was looking for additional amp anyway. The dealer told me that the price would be 6.2k after discount

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Pace 2045 amplifier: listening impressions

In the showroom, I had only Denon PMA 510 AE to compare it with.

Source: Harman Kardon 5 CD changer
Speakers: Initially connected to Polk audio Tsi 100. But I immediately hated the sound (with Both Denon and Pace) It was too boomy and shrill for my liking so the speakers were changed to Mission m34i.
CDs : UB 40, Celine Dion No.1 collection, Eric Clapton unplugged, The best Of Leann Rimes, Murder 2.

The quality was same to my ears. The difference was in the position of volume dial only. I had to push volume dial of Pace to 12 o'clock position in order to get volume equal to Denon 10 o 'clock. Off topic, I did not like mission m34I much.Tthe highs were too shrill for my liking.They were definitely better than Polk TSi100 though. Both speakers were equally good/ bad with both amplifiers but at least both the amplifiers were doing equal job.

So I decided to buy it. I placed order. the dealer gave me the demo piece for temporary use till I get a fresh piece.


Now it was time to compare it to my Marantz pm6002 at home.


Source : Philips DVD player co ax out
DAC: Puprepipre A1 DAC (uses CS4398 chip, same as that of Marantz CD 6003)
Songs : same + Lagan ,Zubeida, Bombay
Speakers: Home-made open baffles.

At home, owing to high sensitivity of my speakers, I never had to push volume knob beyond 9 o'clock on either amplifiers (both are rated at 45w/ch into 8 ohm). Most of the times 8 o'clock was adeqaute.

On Marantz as well as Pace amp, I had to keep "loudness" on to compensate for weakness in bass of my OBs The loudness switch pushes frequencies around 60Hz up in addition to higher frequencies. The bass knob works at 100Hz. I have noticed that turning the bass knob up makes things muddy whereas loudness switch (on both amps) improves thump without making things muddy. That is why i think it works around 60hz approx.

All the other knobs (bass/treble/balance) at neutral position on both amplifiers.

I was surprised to note that the Pace 2045 was actually sounding better in high frequencies while it was equally good in all other departments.

While Marantz is very good with loudness off, switching loudness on makes high frequencies shrill and I used to turn treble knob down to control that shrillness. With Pace 2045, the high frequencies remained smooth and pleasing even with loudness switch on. I didn't even have to touch treble knob.

I also compared Marantz to Pace amp without Loudness on. Here both the amplifiers were comparable. I did not find any difference. Excellent details, superb mid range (probably owing to open baffle design) and pleasant highs.

Now My marantz pm 6002 is paired with marantz DVD player for movies in bedroom while Pace 2045 has become main amplifier with OBs owing to its better performance with loudness switch on. At Rs 6.2k, it is an absolute steal. I have never heard Topping Tp 2020 myself but this could be another excellent option for buyers on budget. In fact I would say not only for budget buyers but for those whose budget is upto 20K for amp and who are ready to do away without the remote controller. To my ears, it did equally well as compared to Denon PMA 510 AE and Marantz pm 6002 which are well known amps within 20k price range. This way, more budget can be allocated to better quality speakers which is probably more important as long as amplifier is decent.

After reading about Topping (where the OP preferred it over NAD 320 BEE) and then experiencing Pace 2045 myself (which did as good as Denon 510 and Marantz pm6002),I am gradually getting to conclusion that very good speakers+Decent amplifier is enough for great music rather than good speakers+ good but high cost amplifier.

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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

^ Excellent reporting! +1 ..........
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

Thanks Jaudere for a good write-up. Very practical. Ultimately the frills only add to the clutter and hence noise. Your observation of a no-nonsense amplifier and better speakers is bang on....
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

If one looks at DNM offerings, all their amplifers (except hi end one) have tuner, USB reader, SD card reader, remote, VFD screen and too many switches owing to these extras. Luckily Mr. Bajaj seems to have decided to make one amplifer by himself without extras (the hi end is made in China and not here in India)
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

Jaudere, that is good news for a lot of people who are about to embark on their hi fi journey, to have a good amp with enough power per channel at 6-7k. Thank you for your initiative.

P.s Doc, where are the pics?

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Have requested Mr. Dilip bajaj to provide some snaps. My camera (I have only my mobile cam, which is 8 m pixel but fixed focus) is hopeless for good close ups.
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

Jaudere. Excellent write up.

At 6.2k for a 45x2 it is a Steal and based on your review when compared to the Denon and Marantx,
Makes the deal even sweeter.

A definite Eye opener that Home grown Hifi companies can provide the best bang for the buck.
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

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Jaudere. Excellent write up.

At 6.2k for a 45x2 it is a Steal and based on your review when compared to the Denon and Marantx,
Makes the deal even sweeter.

A definite Eye opener that Home grown Hifi companies can provide the best bang for the buck.
But guys, please note that it is MY ears and I don't have golden ears. I would like to know when anyone else audiitons it.

I think a mistake we many times do is pairing only a low end speaker with low end amp (costwise) and then we form some conclusion like "the combo is good as starter" or "good for newbies" .

To see what any decent looking/sounding amplifier is really capable of, we should give it a full chance by connection high end speakers and then comment. As I said, I have feeling that all excellent speakers will sound excellent with any decent amp (of course synegry will have to be considered).
while doing this ,we should be frank to ourselves . Many times we reason out that a person buying low end amp will not buy hi end speakers but who knows? After reading Topping owners opinions, we come to know how Topping fares with excellent speakers.
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Re: Pace 2045 amplifier

The loudness switch gives a boost of 8 dB at 50Hz and 3 dB at 10kHZ. That explains the thump without making things muddy.

Mr. Bajaj also told me that it is a chip based amp; uses TDA 7294 chip by company called ST. He told me that it is also used in some Genelec models and some Tannoy Tannoy (7293 chip to be specific).

On further search I found some refernces. Linn LK amp uses this chip. There seems to be a lot of debate in DIY audio forums on TDA 7294 vs LM3886.

TDA7293/TDA7294 - by which commercial integrated Stereo Amps in use ? - diyAudio

chipamp performance....? - Page 4 - diyAudio

TDA 7294 chip based amps seem to be rated at 60-70 watts power. Pace 2045 seems to be conservatively rated at 45watts/ch


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