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I know Bi-wiring is a controversial thing, but I suggest trying it out.

I had some extra electrical wire (left over from house wiring) lying around. I used that to bi-wire my speakers. There was a noticeable difference.

So I went ahead and bought some speaker cables and properly bi-wired the speakers.

I wouldn't say that it has made my 20K speakers sound like a 100K ones, but there is a good bit of difference.

I think one should try it out with some ordinary wire and if there is an improvement, upgrade to regular speaker wire.

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Re: Bi-wiring

Dich,

That is interesting to know how you had made out difference in the sound after bi-wiring, especially with electrical cables.

Couple of years back, with my friends (all self proclaimed audiophiles) wanted to put an end to this confusion. So we arranged this 'blind test' with our systems bi-wired and bi-amped. The conclution was simple. No one, trust me, no one heard anything different in bi-wiring (this includes our then girlfriends and now wifis )

But when we tried bi-amping, there were noted differences. The sound was more meaty and punchy, bass was definitely tighter and sound audibly refined. It felt like the speakers had a double can of redbulls, you know what i mean?

So I use bi-amping thanks to my individual experience and testing. If you find bi-wiring better, equally good. End of the day, we all can share our experiences and get the max out of our pricey investments!
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Re: Bi-wiring

That is why I started off with saying that it is a controversial topic.

Since trying out with any wire lying around costs only the effort required, I would suggest a try.

Ofcourse YMMV.

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Re: Bi-wiring

Hi Dumb question -
1. Whats the basic diff between Bi-Wiring and Bi-Amping...
2. How can one do Bi-Amping? Does one require two amps for this?
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Re: Bi-wiring

Bi-amping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yes, Bi-Amping requires two amps.
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Re: Bi-wiring

Hi to all,

As said above to biwire or not has had endless debates and there is enough reason to believe there should be an audible improvement. My personal experience is that it makes a difference in some speakers (sound more open, focussed and better reproduction at higher volumes) and some it is hardly noticable. I guess each of us should try it for themselves.

My observation is that once u biwire there is a "SAMENESS" to the sound by that i mean most recording sound airy and open when some are not supposed to. I guess its difficult to put in words.

Some say its a marketing gimmick and a demand by various cable manufacturing companies and some speakers manufacturers oblige. Dynaudio (makers of top quality drivers for years and suppliers to some very high end speaker manufacturers) is a non believer where as B&W strongly recommends u to biwire to get the most of ur speakers.

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Re: Bi-wiring

Hi,

Just to add a bit more. My set up is a Rotel pre power and B&W 805 s. The interconnects are VDH D102 and speaker wire is CS 122. I had some VDH clearwater speaker wire also so i biwired my speakers yesterday using the thicker CS 122 for the low/mids and the clearwater for the tweeter. The B&W people say biwiring is the Minimum one should do for the 800 series.

I listened to the same recordings and they did appear to sound airy, more depth and better seperation of instruments so i urge all the guys to just try it. All it means is buying either a same gauge or thinner cable from the same manufacturer(so the sonics dont change).

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Hi,

If anybody can help me.

I learnt of biwiring recently.

I read them, to what I understand I can do it.

But I have some doubts, I hope somebody can clear them.

first, Yamaha AVR brochure mentions one of the feature saying "assignable amplifiers for bi amp connection". (RX-V861 and RX-V661).
What does that mean ?

Next Speaker terminal have extra for high freq and bass.
Does the same exist in avr or is it you take two wires each from each terminal.

Other one is do you interconnect these second cables before they reach speaker. because in one illustration it is shown Fig 3.
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If speaker A and B are front channels for different zones.

Does the power is same in both or do they divide if both are connected.

Why can't we connect the zone B as a second line for biwiring.



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Re: Bi-wiring

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But I have some doubts, I hope somebody can clear them.

first, Yamaha AVR brochure mentions one of the feature saying "assignable amplifiers for bi amp connection". (RX-V861 and RX-V661).
What does that mean ?

Next Speaker terminal have extra for high freq and bass.
Does the same exist in avr or is it you take two wires each from each terminal.
MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE BRIDGES BEFORE ATTEMPTING ANYTHING!

Bi-amping is done by using 2 amps ( 2 integrated/ Integrated with power amp/ or mono blocks) In the case of an AVR, you may use the rear channels of the 7.1 channels (there by making your amp work as a typical 5.1) and using the rear channels to bi-amp the front L&R speakers. This way you are using 2 power sources (amps) to power your front channels.

http://avforum.no/forum/attachments/...ing-biamp.jpeg

Like shown in the above picture, you may use connect the front channels to power the high freq terminals and rear channels to low frequency terminals.

On the other hand Bi-wiring is done with a single amp.
http://avforum.no/forum/attachments/...ing-biamp.jpeg
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~jcgl/Sc...iwire/Fig2.gif

Am sure your manual would have pictorial representation to guide you precisely how to go about this. Btw, if this is not confusing enough, revert back for more

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Re: Bi-wiring

Unleash,

Thank you for your valuable reply.

Now I am ready for my trial of bi wiring, moment my cables arrive.

Thank you.


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