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why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect BR?


Here we are trying to enjoy our brand new HDTV with HD blue ray player and now we are faced with the realization that even though we thought life with black bars was over, it isn't. I notice most of the cinemascope movies in true 1080p HD 16:9 aspect ratio shows black bar. Does it means 2.35x1 aspect [cinemascope] movies embedded with black bar in 16:9 aspect blue ray.
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

do you mean black border on top and bottom of the screen ?
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

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do you mean black border on top and bottom of the screen ?
Yes those annoying black border
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

that got nothing to wht ur equipment, its the bluray or dvd movies, some of them wont have it while others will, no one can do anything about them
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

Its because of the aspect ratio difference. 16:9 is not cinemascope. 16:9 screen comes to 1.78 aspect ratio. Because it has width lower than cinemascope, you will see black bars on top and bottom.

If you want to eliminate those, then you need to either zoom the picture and lose resolution and some of the picture on left and right. Or get a cinemascope tv. I believe Phillips and Vizio has 21:9 (2.35) aspect ratio tvs at a premium.
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

Filmmakers have the option of choosing from a variety of aspect ratios. They are not bound by a single aspect ratio. For HDTVs, anytime the aspect ratio is less than 1.78 (old DVDs), you'll see black borders on the sides (with anamorphic exceptions). Anytime it's more than 1.78, you'll see borders on top and bottom.

That being said; the 1.78 thing is NOT a strict rule when it comes to fullscreen HD/BluRay. A bluray transfer may very well be full screen if the aspect ratio ranges between 1.66 and 1.85. Which is actually the case with many films even today. Heck, Avatar was shot in exactly 1.78. Dark Knight is a peculiar example with a few sequences in 1.78 (IMAX cameras).

In a nutshell, it's perfectly okay to see those black bars now and then, and you shouldn't be annoyed by it.
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

this should help you get rid of the black bars on top and bottom while watching movies, and the price you ll pay - only £4000.

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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

No one today actually shoots in CinemaScope because that film required a "Fox Hole" to fit the 2:25 aspect ratio picture on the film. The Fox Hole is smaller than a normal 35mm perforation. The original anamorphic lenses were not so wonderful compared to today's lot. These days directors love to shoot 2:35 because they prefer it composition wise. More and more they are shooting 16:9 (1.78) because electronic capture is usually native at the ratio. The 1.78 fits better in digital cinemas, and does not need cropping for Blu-Ray release.

Ignore the black bars on your TV. To have the picture fill the screen horizontally you will see bars top and bottom. If you pull the image height up to the top and bottom of the display, you cuttoff the portion of the picture wider than the 1.78 ratio of the display.

Avatar was shot in 3D (two cameras) using 1.78. The theatrical release was done 2:35 in film theaters, simply by cropping the top and bottom. Some theaters got 1.78 prints because their masking was suitable for the increased height if the image.
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

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this should help you get rid of the black bars on top and bottom while watching movies, and the price you ll pay - only £4000.

Philips - Cinema 21:9 Platinum Series Smart LED TV 147 cm (58") Ultra wide Full HD 3D Max - 58PFL9956T/12 - Cinema 21:9 - Televisions - Sound and vision
I wonder what will happen to 16:9 movies on a 21:9 tv? will the image be skewed or there will be black bar?
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B

For movies, there are two aspect ratios - Flat (1.85) and Scope (2.39). Movies are shot in either of those. 16:9 is the HDTV format and is little smaller than 1.85.

The confusing part is how it gets shown in the theaters. The DCI spec for projectors is 2k (2048x1080) and 4K (4096x2160). Both are aspect ratio 1.89. Now, some of the movie digital cameras shoot at 1.78 while there are some cameras that are 1.85. Although none of those are shown at exact 2k resolutions and theaters have to use masking to fit the picture.

There is no avoiding bars at home because there isn't a standard single aspect ratio. Unless, one invests in projectors and masking mechanism.


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