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No HDMI DVD player


My friend had purchased DVD player without HDMI output. But recently he purchased a new LCD TV whith full HD . Can he play DVD's in old DVD player with full HD output ?
Any converter ? so that old DVD player can be used
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

Technically speaking Component Video can carry video signals upto 1080p. It is only that to market HDMI "HD" is associated with it. For normal DVD which is upto 720p (i.e not even a full HD), there will be no improvements if the video signal is not "up-converted" or "upscaled" to Full-HD resolution (though this might not be better than the native 720p of DVD). For better picture quality you will need to play Blu-ray and connect a BDP to the TV via HDMI. Otherwise for DVD (upto 720p) a Component Video connection will be quite sufficient.
Also another thing to note is that upscaled video is only accessible via "HDMI" (very few DVD Players can actually output a full 1080p on Component Video). Thus to watch a 720p DVD on Full-HD resolution (if you prefer upscaled video), you definitely require a DVDP with HDMI.

These days TV's are itself equipped with the upscalers. You need to check if you TV is capable of upscaling analog video.
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

A converter or stand-alone upscaler may not be worth in this case, he could look at watching the DVDs in Progressive Scan on the DVDP, which is better than normal SD. He could use the component connection (DVDP-AVR) for better quality.

Connecting the DVDP to an upscaling AVR (if he has one) is another option.

Rather than an upscaler, best bet might be to get an upscaling DVDP like Pio-610 (~6.5k), there are some in the LG/Samsung/Philips make also.
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

Hello,
HD signals can be trasmitted through component cables as well. Please check if the player has component output. Otherwise it can't send any HD signal.
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

Does it mean there is no need to pay extra money for HDMI output DVD players if your TV supports upscaling to 1080 thru normal DVD player without HDMI?
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

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Does it mean there is no need to pay extra money for HDMI output DVD players if your TV supports upscaling to 1080 thru normal DVD player without HDMI?
Quite right. Everything now boils down to "Which of these has better upscaler enginer: TV or DVDP?".
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

HDMI on dvds can also be a great convenience due to single cable for audio and video instead of 3+7.1. However, DVDs normally are recorded on much lower resolution so you are not missing any thing even on component.

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Does it mean there is no need to pay extra money for HDMI output DVD players if your TV supports upscaling to 1080 thru normal DVD player without HDMI?
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

Crackers:

If you see my thread on AVR Connectivity, (http://www.hifivision.com/audio-vide...nectivity.html) you will find answers to most of what you are looking for. In any case let me recap the jist of your answers.

1. Composite, Component, and S-Video are what are called analogue connections. Most DVD Players will have one or more of these. These connection have limited bandwidth. Irrespective of your DVD Player or TV;s capabilities, composite and S-Video will carry only 480i or 576i. They will not carry progressively scanned pictures. Though technically a component can carry 1080P signals, it is very rare to find a DVD Player, an AVR and a TV that ALL support 1080P over component. In most cases the signals will stop at a max of 720P. There are dicsussions of digital component, but it is yet hyperware.

Whichever of these analogue connections you use, you have to carry audio over a digital connection such as co-axial or optical to the AVR to get multichannel audio. If you connect a source through analogue to a TV you will only get a max of two channel audio. Even if the system displays Dolby or DTS, all audio signals will be down sampled to two channels.

To carry full 1080P signals as well as (upto) 7.1 lossless or lossy multichannel audio, currently, HDMI is the only option.

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Re: No HDMI DVD player

hi newbie here...am using avr denon 1909 and in a lookin to change my good old philips
player and am thinking of buying an hdmi player like oppo 980h ..
i have some questions before i make the purchase..

if i connect my avr 1909 and oppo through hdmi..my avr will be doing the
audio and video processing right? so the dvdp upscaling is void?

shouldn't any hdmi player suffice in my case without upscaling in other words
do i gain by this oppo upgrade?

am i missing something here..

p.s i have 32 inch lcd which supports upto 1080i
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Re: No HDMI DVD player

if i connect my avr 1909 and oppo through hdmi..my avr will be doing the audio and video processing right? so the dvdp upscaling is void?
Audio - definitely the AVR would take care of it, Video - I am assuming you should be able to configure your AVR to upscale or not to upscale.

shouldn't any hdmi player suffice in my case without upscaling in other words do i gain by this oppo upgrade?
Depends on the upscaler chip/processor on the DVDP versus the AVR. Oppos are highly regarded for upscaling, compare your AVR chip against the one used by Oppo and then take a call.

Unless you have too many HD sources (DVDP/BDP/PS3 etc.), you may want to directly connect your upscaling DVDP-TV via HDMI and then DVDP-AVR via coax/optical.


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