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cheap CD player with external DAC

Hey Guys:

Anyone here who uses a CHEAP CDP with a digital out to an inexpensive but good DAC [maybe a Beresford]?

Opinions sought on:

How this combo may sound as opposed to an "audiophile" grade CDP.
Whether such a CHEAP CDP with a digital out would be available.

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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

Cheap CDp- mar5001,TEAC
DAC- Beresford 7520
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

The audiophile CDP will absolutely butcher the cheap CDP (well good luck in finding one) or even a cheap DVDP with good DAC combo.
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

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The audiophile CDP will absolutely butcher the cheap CDP (well good luck in finding one) or even a cheap DVDP with good DAC combo.
Oh yes, I think we would all presume to know that - I mean the butchering part.
My question here would be - what would "butcher" mean wrt sound quality?
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

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Cheap CDp- mar5001,TEAC
DAC- Beresford 7520
The MAR5001 would cost around Rs.15000 and though relatively cheap in price is not very "cheap" in SQ - I would consider it budget audiophile SQ.

A Beresford 7520 would cost ~Rs.12000 so combining it with a Rs.15000 CDP would not make sense - costwise.
There is an answer in there somewhere - if I can get the same SQ from maybe a MAR5001 costing Rs.15000 as opposed to combining a Rs.12000 DAC with even a Rs.3000 CD transport - would it be worth it? I think not.
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The MAR5001 would cost around Rs.15000 and though relatively cheap in price is not very "cheap" in SQ - I would consider it budget audiophile SQ.

A Beresford 7520 would cost ~Rs.12000 so combining it with a Rs.15000 CDP would not make sense - costwise.
There is an answer in there somewhere - if I can get the same SQ from maybe a MAR5001 costing Rs.15000 as opposed to combining a Rs.12000 DAC with even a Rs.3000 CD transport - would it be worth it? I think not.
Well DVDp for 3000(china 1500) + 7520 (12k) = 15k
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

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Oh yes, I think we would all presume to know that - I mean the butchering part.
My question here would be - what would "butcher" mean wrt quality?
It sounds decent with good quality content like WAV, FLAC. Move to lossy formats and it gets worse. I've also tested the same content on my PC + Beresford and the SQ was definitely much, much better (not surprising since the transport in the PC is much better). With better soundcards the output also was much better. With the onboard soundcard it was not that good.

Funnily the DAC of the Asus soundcard I have performs better than anything else. Much better than the Beresford in fact.

The Beresford kicks in with good content + good transport which is lacking in all budget DVDPs. I've even checked the Beresford with good quality CDPs (costing around 25-30K) and found no improvement at all. The CDPs really did not need the Beresford and nor did the Beresford improve performance to any perceptible levels. The CDPs DAC was better in such instances.

I found the Oppo to be a much better option here. In terms of price its cheaper and also offers very good SQ.

Now all this is subjective so it might differ from person to person.

But if you want figures then a bad transport (budget CDP if any/DVDP) + Beresford will give around 40-50% output of any good CDP. This figure will obviously drop as you start climbing over the 50-60K mark in CDPs.
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

pair that beresford with any cheap PC having digital out and it should easily be better than most budget CDP's like the marantz5001

im pretty sure
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Re: cheap CD player with external DAC

A similar discussion.
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pair that beresford with any cheap PC having digital out and it should easily be better than most budget CDP's like the marantz5001

im pretty sure
PC + digital(USB) 7520

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