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Re: music directors rated for all round musicality

[quote=Kamal;12357]Persi wrote foll abt Jaidev-
"But check out 'Seene Mein Jalan, Aankhon Mein Toofan..' and 'Aap Ki Yaad Aati Rahi Raat Bhar'... and you'll know what I mean. Or any track from the movie 'Gharaonda'"
Aah Yes !
You mentioned a couple of tracks & my mental jukebox started playing!
Truly a golden age of Hindi Film music!
Maybe we should start a thread"My ten all time favourite Hindi film music/Carnatic film music tracks.


Hello kamal ,
i fully agree to your views . the tracks from film "hum dono" were outstanding. i have also started the thread "My favourite top ten" but i was disappointed by the response it got from the forum any way you can visit my post at http://www.hifivision.com/music/1051....html#post6929.




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Re: Salil Choudhury + Gulzar in film Mere Apane (मेरे अपने (1971))

i can add two songs of Kishore Da as well composed by less known music directors.

1) TERI DUNIA SE HOKAR MAJBOOR CHALA (Film : Pavitra papi ) (Music Director : PREM DHAWAN )

And

2) DIL AISA KISI NE MERA TODA (Film : Amanush ) (Music Director : SHYAMAL MITRA )

Both the songs are outstanding and can find place in any top songs list of of Kishore Da compiled by any one. Am i correct?
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Re: music directors rated for all round musicality

honestly, no clue about bollywood music directors. obviously, ive heard the names, who hasn't (AIR FM zindabaad!).

ive been trying to get my hands on some old recordings, along the lines of the once published 50 glorious years of indian cinema, a 5 CD Set. anyone know of an online store where i can purchase the CD or download FLAC/ALAC? (im not in india ATM, so i can't go to any of the stores)

anyway, since the topic of bollywood music has come up, check out this album:
bombay the hard way : guns, cars and sitars by dj shadow and dan the automator.

a very interesting narrative of the themes in indian cinema, most notably the work of anandji and kalyanji v shah, brought to you by two of the most mercurial talents in modern music, dj shadow and dan the automator (producer for the Gorillaz)

HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended.
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Re: Salil Choudhury + Gulzar in film Mere Apane (मेरे अपने (1971))

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i can add two songs of Kishore Da as well composed by less known music directors.

1) TERI DUNIA SE HOKAR MAJBOOR CHALA (Film : Pavitra papi ) (Music Director : PREM DHAWAN )

And

2) DIL AISA KISI NE MERA TODA (Film : Amanush ) (Music Director : SHYAMAL MITRA )

Both the songs are outstanding and can find place in any top songs list of of Kishore Da compiled by any one. Am i correct?
Yes indeed. Those are signature Kishore songs. In fact it is in melancholy that Kishore really comes into his own with his ability to emote, melt and croon us into tears. That is the sign of genius singer.
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Re: Salil Choudhury + Gulzar in film Mere Apane (मेरे अपने (1971))

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Have you heard a master piece by Salil Choudhury from film : Mere Apne मेरे अपने (1971)’


The movie- 'MERE-APNEमेरे अपने (1971)', starring Meena Kumari, Vinod Khanna, Shatrughna Sinha and Asrani, Paintal, Danny Denzongpa, AK Hangal and others.

This movie narrates a story of unemployment, vigilante justice, failure of idealism, moralities and nonviolence, wily politicians, manipulative family members, corruption, Youth frustration, anger and discontent .

A young director, Gulzarji, who identifies with what was prevalent, captures the essence of unrest in the nation. He brings out the best in Shatrughan Sinha and Vinod Khanna. While Meena Kumari. Danny, Mehmood and the rest of the crew did their part to perfection. Shatru will keep you on the edge, Vinod Khanna will give you your money’s worth and Meena Kumari will steal your heart with her performace, Danny will leave you teary eyed. No melodrama, no histrionics.

The films music is by Salil Choudhury. It is a classic by Gulzar, it was with its time but still years ahead of it,you can still connect with issues raised by it more than 39 years ago.

(the above text is from: Mere Apne ? PassionForCinema)

And now my own review of the song: कोई होता जिसको अपना

The song ‘कोई होता koi hota’ is an all time favorite. And why not?


Salilji used 3 octaves in just one line of this song!! Have you heard anything like this any before?

See how it goes:

Kishor opens the song (by the way, it is a solo from Kishor) … कोई होता on higher note til कोई but in just two word of ‘होता ‘ Kishor reaches almost a half octave below when he hits the ‘ता’ that too with a fine ‘mind (Glissando)’

Kishor continues with that pitch till the end of जिसको अपना. Now there is brief pause very precisely timed (such delicate task only Lata can do but Kishor did this with utmost precision) , now Kishor starts gliding down further in pitch to hit the lower octave हम अपना कह लेतें यारों.. and he achieves it. Watch the extended notes at ‘ना’ of अपना and again the precise nano pause between अपना and कह and also between लेतें and यारों, now with a gymnast’s feet Kishor has to move on to next part , (no stopping, keep going down) to hit one more octave below पास नहीं तो दूर ही होता , again watch the fine mind blowing ‘mind (Glissando)’ at दूर and the weight on ‘होता’, this is required as Kishor has to go further one octave down!!

लेकिन कोई मेरा अपना. Now Kishor has reached almost at the rock bottom , can't go below that ,(Interesting to check what your woofer/sub woofer is doing at this very moment). What you hear is Kishor's real voice, his voice box is now paining and you could hear the air pushing through it .

At this ground zero what is left is pure emptiness coupled by a very deep and painful grief, I think that’s the limit, you can't take any more! Song literally stop here for a moment or two till the mendolin, flute and violins kick in.

Again in the next stanza Kishor starts with one octave up than what he stopped at लेकिन कोई मेरा अपना. He opens with आखोंमें में निंद न होती and again with a brief pause continues on the same pitch with आसूं ही तैरते रह्ते , Kishor has sung this last आसूं ही तैरते रह्ते in such a way that it literally create the feeling of तैरते रह्ते. Then on while at next खॉबोंमें जागते हम रातपर Kishor again goes down to half octave.

Exactly at this point the whole things becomes unbearably emotional, I mean it. And final कहीं तो गम अपनाता कोई तो साथी होता just cements it. Watch that prolonged ‘ना‘ in the ‘अपनाता ‘ That feeling of loneliness will thrust into your heart like a sword! After a short burst of violins Kishor has to go back to repeat ‘कोई होता ..’


This single song alone is enough to demonstrate the caliber of this music genius of Salil Choudhury!

However despite of his best possible efforts Kishor couln’t do justice to this song. The song was filmed on Vinod Khanna so Kishor was the natural choice as a playback singer but Moh. Rafi could have done a far better job here.

कोई होता जिसको अपना , हम अपना कह लेतें यारों
पास नहीं तो दूर ही होता, लेकिन कोई मेरा अपना

आखोंमें में निंद न होती , आसूं ही तैरते रह्ते
खॉबोंमें जागते हम रातपर
कहीं तो गम अपनाता कोई तो साथी होता

पुलां हुआ कोई वादा बिती हुई कुछ यादें
तनहाई दोहरातीं है रातपर
कोई दिलासा होता कोई तो अपना होता

मेरे अपने (1971१)

गीतः गुलझार संगीतः सलिल चौध्ररी गायकः किशोर कुमार

Please try to get this song at least on MP3 and listen , I am sure you will like it.

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SUhas
Your post is superb but the song is rendered superbly by kishore. salil was not fond of rafi. in 1970 hero was vinod khanna (new) any voice ould have been used on him!
in anand for rajesh hana salil used manna de., mukesh!
he was the md who will get the best singer for he song .his tunes were difficult. he specifically selected kishore for this song and for he song "gujar gaye din "( an extremely dificult song). rafi's voice thogh sweet did not have the depth of the voice of kshore and for this song it was required. mukesh was ot suited as tune was diifficult.
the choice was limted to ishore /versus may be Manna de.
looking at loi humdum na raha and the intense grief kishore was he only choice. rafi would have been very por chice for this song.
even for gujar ye din salil waited for kishore ( who was running away as tune was difficult ) salil said only ishore can do 90% justice for this song.
being a sweet voice and a ret phirat does not mean that he voice suits for all songs! GEEt sang "waqt ne kiya kya hasi sitam" better han lata would have sung.
This was simply not a rafi number. u just cant even imagine rafi "koi hota jisko" It will be disaster the same disaster hat will result when kishore sings " man tarpat"
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