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Firstly thanks mridul for the number of Armour Home will call them tomo for a Demo on Q acoustics, maybe even mordaunt - short, checked thier website the speakers look amazing with good build quality but its the sound that matters. As for what Lakshmant suggested Crystal Acoustics THX 3D 12 5.1 these are floor-standers, as much as i would like to buy them i dont have space for floor standers. someone even asked me details abt the room if its a dedicated HT room well to answer that its not a dedicated HT room its a Hall of 12 X 20 which is open on one side with average hall furniture i.e sofa, tables and one Lazyboy kinda Arm chair right inbetween the Room ( for the sweet spot , the flooring is Carpeted and no special Acoustic treatments done to the room. Now a new question that arises is since my HT setup is gonna be used ONLY for movies should i be looking at THX certified speakers??? i have noticed that mostly these THX certified systems have a big sub? Even the JAMO d6 PTX had a Huge 15'' SUB..any views on why is that? i think a good sub has a vital role to play in a good HT setup.. THX is for movies only right? so maybe thats what i should be looking at.. I have got a lot of options from this forum so will get time out and auditon them all one by one.. Montitor audio bronze series, mordaunt short wharfadale Q acoustics.. Anyone owns Klipsh Speakers here? I rememeber hearing them at Onkyo but they werent impressive but he didnt have the range considering their website has a full range of small 5.1 setups. i would love to hear from PPl who have similar HT setups and what they think is good. after all buying these equipments is a costly affair and after the disasterous start with BOSE Accoustimass i wanna make sure i get it right this time. thanks for all your help!
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THX is very good for music, i do not understand what people mean by musical and non musical speakers. All speakers are made to reproduce sound, how accurately depends on design goals. THX speakers reproduce them in a very specific and predictable way with very low distortion. Many new music DVD's with 5.1 sound have been mixed in THX certfifed studios under the most precise conditions. Also 80% of movies contains music. Some People blindly conclude that THX is bad for music, cant help them. A good sub is needed to produce clean bass at high levels . This adds impact to music and movies and increase the dynamic range of the system. Read here for more on THX.
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The crystal acoustic speakers are not very large so would be good buy

I have a living room similar to yours and yes THX would work

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Re: Help! Cant have floor-standers, want the best Movie setup for 1.4L

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THX is very good for music, i do not understand what people mean by musical and non musical speakers. All speakers are made to reproduce sound, how accurately depends on design goals.
IMO musical speakers will need to produce a wider range of frequencies, since the soundstage for a musical performance will mostly be in the front i.e. limited surround sound. I know there are music videos mixed in DTS/THX formats as well. However pure music is typically stereo.

Also in a music performance, you need more neutral sounding speakers rather than ones that accentuate a specific range of frequencies.

Having said that, a good speaker for music should do duty in a movie setup. How true will the reverse be ? I'm not sure. I do believe a speaker that sounds good with music will be good for movies as well.

THX requires the LR surrounds and rear surrounds to be bipolar, to ensure better spread. So this is something you may want to consider when setting up a HT specifically for Movies. Mate it to a THX certified receiver like the onkyo 701/801 and you will have a sweet sounding system.
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IMO musical speakers will need to produce a wider range of frequencies, since the soundstage for a musical performance will mostly be in the front i.e. limited surround sound. I know there are music videos mixed in DTS/THX formats as well. However pure music is typically stereo.

THere are movies and DVD's encoded in DTS. There is no THX encoding for any movie. Only THX Quality Control is found in DVD's which is done at the mastering and replication stage or the allbums are mixed in THX certified studios. THX also specifies a very accurate soundstage for front LCR speakers as well with a very small window for variation. When you experience movies in a THX setup you will see how timbre matched all the 5 speakers are for surround which also translates to perfect timbre matching for stereo as well.


Also in a music performance, you need more neutral sounding speakers rather than ones that accentuate a specific range of frequencies.

Can you explain this further with examples? Your statement says that THX speakers accentuate a part of the frequency spectrum. If that is your opnion, kindly show me the spec of 1 thx speaker which does that.

Also in THX, LCR and LS and RS are crossed at 80Hz so that the rest of the spectrum is reproduced by the subwofer which is built for bass. A THX system response at many magzine reviews has been measured to be quite flat in a given room. This 80 hz cross over increases dynamic range of the speaker system as a whole. Please refer the THX article.

Having said that, a good speaker for music should do duty in a movie setup. How true will the reverse be ? I'm not sure. I do believe a speaker that sounds good with music will be good for movies as well.

Yes it would and speakers always do double duty in many setups.


THX requires the LR surrounds and rear surrounds to be bipolar, to ensure better spread. So this is something you may want to consider when setting up a HT specifically for Movies. Mate it to a THX certified receiver like the onkyo 701/801 and you will have a sweet sounding system.

Yes THX specified this you also use monopoles depending on the room as per THX spec.

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Lakshmant good article on THX .. hmmmm but two divided opinions here, Thx good for movies & music or THX speakers only good enough for movies.. No matter what the reviews say there are a so many speakers even high end which arnt THX certified so maybe the manufactures think its not worth paying the extra bit for THX certification since most of thier equipment is of high Quality anyways.. do you guys know of any Sub-Sat THX models out there? i Checked Again lakshmant but cyrstal acoustics is still wont do cuz those arnt very big but nevertheless the front R/L speakers are floorstanders..
One other question that comes to my mind are OHMS some speakers are 4Ohms while others are 6 and 8 Ohms do these specs matter?? what exactly are these parameters? should i be considering 4 OHms speakers for my kinda Setup or 8 ohms?
Smsrini maybe right by saying musical speakers should be good for movies but its not only the fronts that matter right? center / sub and surrounds all should be of the same good quality,similar output,timbre to make a good HT.
Bipolar as surrounds shouldnt be a problem in my case..Anyone have similar HT setups at home would love to hear from them..!!
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Re: Help! Cant have floor-standers, want the best Movie setup for 1.4L

Buddy...

Yes these specs do matter...

Your main, purpose for a HT setup is movies, and for that 4Ohms is more suitable for that...as less the Ohms be. more the bass/power will be, which is more preffered in for movies...
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Re: Help! Cant have floor-standers, want the best Movie setup for 1.4L

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Buddy...

Yes these specs do matter...

Your main, purpose for a HT setup is movies, and for that 4Ohms is more suitable for that...as less the Ohms be. more the bass/power will be, which is more preffered in for movies...
That is not entirely accurate nominal impedance(4,6,8 ohms) will not tell you how much louder your speaker would play that depends on other factors.
Although what that will tell you is what kind of an amplifier you need to drive it with.If its a 6 or an 8 ohm fairly efficient speaker it would sound good with a receiver.
If its a 4 ohm speaker it might need a power amplifier since there are lot of sudden impedance dips when the bass hits and thats why you need a quality amplifier to be able to have enough power during these impedance dips.

Sensitivity of a speaker would also tell you more about the speaker whether it is easy to drive or hard. 90db and above are considered efficient and mid line receivers power them fine.
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If its a 4 ohm speaker it might need a power amplifier since there are lot of sudden impedance dips when the bass hits and thats why you need a quality amplifier to be able to have enough power during these impedance dips.
So what ur saying is 4 ohms speakers are harder to drive than 8 ohms ???
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