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well the contrast measured by a professional review site puts the sony KLV-32W400A at 2500:1 measured contrast and the panasonic at a measured contrast of 1800:1.if u happen to use it for gaming the sony as the advantages being a lcd has minimal burn in issue where as the panasonic plasma may have a burn in which is warned in review site.
ghosting is no longer a issue.

the draws back mentioned in the panasonic review are
1 The panel's light color
2 Menus overly simple, settings should be more gradual
3 Lack of sharpness in HD

the drawback mentioned in the sony are
1 Sound isn’t up to par with the excellent image quality.

but if u happen to use it only for SD viewing like ur local cable ,then a tv with lower resolution is better since the plasma as only 1024x768 pixels so the tv has marginally less to upscale vs the sony 1920x1080 resolution.for HD viewing sony is a winner.

so in the end the sony gets 5 out 5 where as the panasonic gets 4 out 5.
Which professional site are we talking about? Any links please. The only site whose reviews I trust is HDTV Reviews – LCD TV & Plasma Television Display Rating.

According to them the PX80/PV80 has a measured black level of 0.05cd/m2 while the 40" W400A has the same black level. However the W series can't match the D65 color spectrum, fails in both video and film mode deinterlacing tests, scaling quality is poor, motion resolution is poor. Finally the panel also has clouding issues. I'm not sure how it is a better TV.

The Pioneer 4280XD has a black level of 0.03 cd/m2 is still unmatched by anything else.

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Which professional site are we talking about? Any links please. The only site whose reviews I trust is HDTV Reviews – LCD TV & Plasma Television Display Rating.

According to them the PX80/PV80 has a measured black level of 0.05cd/m2 while the 40" W400A has the same black level.
sure here the link for the pana px80/pv80 Panasonic TH-42PX80E - DigitalVersus

link for the sony 32inch W400A
Sony Bravia KDL-32W4000 - DigitalVersus

link for the 40inch W400A
Sony Bravia KDL-40W4000 - DigitalVersus


and the 0.05 black level is for the panasonic TH-42PY800H which is a FHD plasma
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sure here the link for the pana px80/pv80 Panasonic TH-42PX80E - DigitalVersus

link for the sony 32inch W400A
Sony Bravia KDL-32W4000 - DigitalVersus

link for the 40inch W400A
Sony Bravia KDL-40W4000 - DigitalVersus


and the 0.05 black level is for the panasonic TH-42PY800H which is a FHD plasma
Here's the black level.

Panasonic TH42PX80 Plasma Calibration & Benchmark Test


That review you linked to looks so amateurish, even I can probably do a better job than that.
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Here's the black level.

Panasonic TH42PX80 Plasma Calibration & Benchmark Test


That review you linked to looks so amateurish, even I can probably do a better job than that.
i already have seen and used to see HDTV test.co.uk digital versus is not amateur review siteAbout Les Numeriques ,if thats not all they have pictures side by side so that people can see the difference,digtal versus sister site is behardware.com.if u go to the compare page u can see the pictures ,benchmarks side by side.including monitors,cameras etc.its currently the most top rated websites,i been following that website from around a year,so have i been following HDTV test.co.uk but i find digital versus better ,since u can decide which is better by seeing the pictures.they have also reviewed the panasonic PY800H FHD plasma which was measured at a contrast of 3500: exactly the same as pioneer KURO which is the highest in any flat panel except OLED.

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i already have seen and used to see HDTV test.co.uk digital versus is not amateur review site ,if thats not all they have pictures side by side so that people can see the difference,digtal versus sister site is behardware.com.if u got to the compare page u can see the pictures ,benchmarks side by side.including monitors,cameras etc.
If that review is not amateurish, I have nothing to say. No mention of any testing methodology, no mention of what tests they did, no mention of how they calibrated the color space and you call it a good review .

I have a lot of respect for behardware cos thats a good site. But this is rubbish.
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i find digital versus better ,since u can decide which is better by seeing the pictures.they have also reviewed the panasonic PY800H FHD plasma which was measured at a contrast of 3500: exactly the same as pioneer KURO which is the highest in any flat panel except OLED.
What you see in images will depend on how good your display is and also how the images are taken. They must be in the same lighting conditions, same exposure and same camera. I don't see how they achieve that nor do they mention anything. The only way to know whats better is to step out and see the panels in person. Anyone with even partially working eyes will know that the panasonic still has miles to go before it can be even considered close to the pioneer in black level.

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If that review is not amateurish, I have nothing to say. No mention of any testing methodology, no mention of what tests they did, no mention of how they calibrated the color space and you call it a good review .

I have a lot of respect for behardware cos thats a good site. But this is rubbish.
well i dont what to say in ur opinion its a bad review ,IMO its a good review and i rate it above HDTV test .co.uk.

check out the link u can differentiate side by side contrast,ghosting,576i,720p,1080p images now thats a lot of imformation.
Face to Face : cameras, printers, ... - DigitalVersus
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What you see in images will depend on how good your display is and also how the images are taken. They must be in the same lighting conditions, same exposure and same camera. I don't see how they achieve that nor do they mention anything. The only way to know whats better is to step out and see the panels in person. Anyone with even partially working eyes will know that the panasonic still has miles to go before it can be even considered close to the pioneer in black level.
well yes pioneer is better i never said its bad infact i always say they are a reference class.yes pioneer has slightly more contrast at 3620 which is mentioned in digital versus.well yes nothing can beat a person actualy seeing the tv in front of their own eyes.but people should know a thing or two about examining since i remember one of my friend this was about 2 years ago, when plasma had a sheer advantage in contrast but my friend kept saying lcd was better since the image was sharp but little do people know about detail in dark shadow regions where contrast makes the difference.so its good to see reviews too.

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well i dont what to say in ur opinion its a bad review ,IMO its a good review and i rate it above HDTV test .co.uk.

check out the link u can differentiate side by side contrast,ghosting,576i,720p,1080p images now thats a lot of imformation.
Face to Face : cameras, printers, ... - DigitalVersus
That link doesn't even have images of the pioneer and panasonic plasmas to compare with
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