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er....adder....i think i will agree with reignofchaos here.....these still images don't look like the TVs were properly calibrated. There's no way in hell there's so much of a difference in the colour reproduction between flat panel displays.....irrespective of whether they are LCD or Plasma, Samsung or Sony etc., Now without proper calibration, the comparison is not a like for like comparison is it?

Motion blur is still visible on LCDs and the difference with plasmas is very tangible. Any casual comparison of an LCD and plasma side by side will testify to this. I don't think these still images are therefore useful for establishing anything material.
well if u look closely in their articles of varies screens comparision test they are properly caliberated.they also have posted contrasts levels after caliberation and before caliberation.
and about color difference yes there are differences between every tv the way its image processing handles etc.
if u look at there lcd monitor comparision u can see that they have caliberated the lcds monitors and u can also see that color varies even though they are properly caliberated.i am sure even chaos will know about the variation in colors sont forget all the image u see in the tv is still processed and sony uses custom backlight its called wide gamot color display in W series.
motion blur also is presnent in plasmas.





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well if u look closely in their articles of varies screens comparision test they are properly caliberated.they also have posted contrasts levels after caliberation and before caliberation.
and about color difference yes there are differences between every tv the way its image processing handles etc.
if u look at there lcd monitor comparision u can see that they have caliberated the lcds monitors and u can also see that color varies even though they are properly caliberated.i am sure even chaos will know about the variation in colors sont forget all the image u see in the tv is still processed and sony uses custom backlight its called wide gamot color display in W series.
motion blur also is presnent in plasmas.
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Do all HDTV have inbuilt upscalers?
Secondly what problems lcd get after few years?(plasma burns)
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Do all HDTV have inbuilt upscalers? Secondly what problems lcd get after few years?(plasma burns)
Most HDTVs do. Their either have their own such as in Sony, or they use an external Chip such as Fardoudja. In any case it is better to check before you buy.

An LCD's minimum life expectancy is about 50,000 hours. That is 17 years if you use the LCD everyday for 8 hours. What could happen after that is that some of the pixels could go dead. But 17 years is a looooooong time.

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hey adder, i am not talking about what they claim. I am talking about keeping these TVs side by side and calibrating them properly. Have you ever seen this much of a difference between televisions after comparable calibration?? It's next to impossible. Which is why I am unable to bestow these guys with any credibility.

Motion blur on plasmas is several orders of magnitude lesser than that on LCDs. There's really no comparison. It's an inherent defect of the LCD technology and there's only so much that a Sony or anyone else can do about it.

There is no doubt Sony makes excellent LCD TVs, and if you prefer an LCD picture it's a great option, but the level of difference these people appear to be showing with these pictures really smells bogus to me.

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well if u look closely in their articles of varies screens comparision test they are properly caliberated.they also have posted contrasts levels after caliberation and before caliberation.
and about color difference yes there are differences between every tv the way its image processing handles etc.
if u look at there lcd monitor comparision u can see that they have caliberated the lcds monitors and u can also see that color varies even though they are properly caliberated.i am sure even chaos will know about the variation in colors sont forget all the image u see in the tv is still processed and sony uses custom backlight its called wide gamot color display in W series.
motion blur also is presnent in plasmas.
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hey adder, i am not talking about what they claim. I am talking about keeping these TVs side by side and calibrating them properly. Have you ever seen this much of a difference between televisions after comparable calibration?? It's next to impossible. Which is why I am unable to bestow these guys with any credibility.

Motion blur on plasmas is several orders of magnitude lesser than that on LCDs. There's really no comparison. It's an inherent defect of the LCD technology and there's only so much that a Sony or anyone else can do about it.

There is no doubt Sony makes excellent LCD TVs, and if you prefer an LCD picture it's a great option, but the level of difference these people appear to be showing with these pictures really smells bogus to me.
well u must note that even if u properly caliberate,tv which which have different CCFL or led backlight like wide gamot color display will significantly increases the intensity of the colors .Chi Mei Optoelectronics - High Color Saturation
i in the link which is from CMO a lcd panel makers show how the color varies.
and dont forget all the image u see is still processed by the image processingChi Mei Optoelectronics - Omniview Color.

here is another link from a different manufacturer AU optronic
AUO Online: Technology

and finaly check this link out its about samsungs panel lottery.where the samsung 226BW which comes with either a S spva panel,or A mva or C smva panel.
Face to Face : cameras, printers, ... - DigitalVersus

and about motion blur in plasma check the images out

the above image is from a samsung plasma this is its best image.


the above image is from a sony W series lcd which uses wide gamot color backlight and this its best image.


the above image is from samsung plasma this its worst result.


the above image is from sony W series lcd and this its worst result.

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Most HDTVs do. Their either have their own such as in Sony, or they use an external Chip such as Fardoudja. In any case it is better to check before you buy.

An LCD's minimum life expectancy is about 50,000 hours. That is 17 years if you use the LCD everyday for 8 hours. What could happen after that is that some of the pixels could go dead. But 17 years is a looooooong time.

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other than that any major problem?
i.e. Backlight or efficiency reduces wihin 5 yrs?
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Most HDTVs do. Their either have their own such as in Sony, or they use an external Chip such as Fardoudja. In any case it is better to check before you buy.

An LCD's minimum life expectancy is about 50,000 hours. That is 17 years if you use the LCD everyday for 8 hours. What could happen after that is that some of the pixels could go dead. But 17 years is a looooooong time.

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Hi,

This may be update ,Just now I saw some widescreen LCD from philips.
(India web)

They are app.4 to 5 cm wider than 16:9 tv.

Do Sony,Pan,Sam make such which are available in India?
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other than that any major problem?
i.e. Backlight or efficiency reduces wihin 5 yrs?
well dont forget that if a manufatures quotes the life of a backlight as 50000hrs then at 25000hrs the brightness of the backlight will be half.even with that if u watch tv for 8 hrs tha backlight brigtness will reduce to half around 9 yrs.
the problem in lcd, plasma or crt and other display is the electronic that goes kaput first,from the varies tvs and monitors that i had its the electronic that fail.
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This may be update ,Just now I saw some widescreen LCD from philips.
(India web)

They are app.4 to 5 cm wider than 16:9 tv.

Do Sony,Pan,Sam make such which are available in India?
can be more specific do u mean the screen size bezel size?
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can be more specific do u mean the screen size bezel size?
Philips - Flat TV - LCD - Flat TV - Plasma - CRT - Projection - TVs - Televisions

Check this link,

There are 2 screen sizes here normal 16:9 ,other may be 16.5:9

May be 2.35:1

Secondly Sony India is not giving details about lcd.
i.e. 100hz, etc
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