Confused ...

adder · #11 13th October 2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spirovious

Hi,

Can you tell me difference in Pany LX800 & 85?

When I saw 700 & 75 ,specifications are same.

Secondly Do LCDs give 3D effect?
Pany looks wonderfool ,but less 3D effect than Sam.Dont know abt Sony.

well the LX85 wont be launched in india ,instead the LX88 will be launched for asia.
well i am not sure about ur term 3d effect.

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Originally Posted by spirovious

Why not talk abt Panasonic?

well the panasonic has a AIPS panel so the contrast levels of that technology is lagging behind SPVA panels from sony,samsung and even AMVA tech from AUO,ASV tech from sharp.
remember 3 years ago the main advantage for plasmas was contrast but people still prefered the sharp output of lcds,and now days lcds can take on most of the plasma in contrast levels,and new lcds from samsung such as series 8 pose a serious challenge to the pioneer KUROs.
what good is a tv which cannot show the fine details in dark shadow regions thats where the contrast helps.

flared · #12 13th October 2008, 06:12 PM

Samsung series 8 has just been released so not much reviews yet. Sounds like a good buy though for those who have the cash.
We will have to wait and watch to see if its really going to match or outclass the pioneer.

adder · #13 13th October 2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flared

I have read that there are image retention problems in the present generation of Panasonic plasmas too but not burn in's which are permanent.
I have seen the present generation Panny plasma (PV) both in India and in US (PX) and haven't really seen any signs of image retention on the screen. I guess there are enough people who have experienced it though going by the AV Forums. This could also be result of how the TV was broken in for the first 100 hours or so.
The question is not who has the highest contrast ratio printed in their brochure but which gives the more natural color. Some like more Pop in their colors and they would prefer the LCD's especially the Sony's.
IMO there is no comparison of Pioneer Kuro's PQ with any other brands LCD or Plasma. It will hammer its competition hands down.

Khaadu:
I have read that LCD tv's are better for gaming and the Plasma's are better for SD viewing. If you are going to be playing games for long hours you need to check the technology which has less strain on your eyes. You might want to take the audition and decide on your own. Response time is an important factor that you need to take into account.

PS: We know you are gifting the TV to yourself

you are not fooling any of the HiFiers.. and neither is it going to fool your better half hehe!

well plasmas do suffer from burn in which is mentioned in the review of the panasonic TH-42PZ81E which is a top of the line product from panasonic in asia its called the TH-42PY800H and its yet to be launched in india
Panasonic Viera TH-42PZ81E - DigitalVersus

to show u how advanced lcd tech is here is a comparision shot of pioneer Kuro and samsung series 8.

the above image seen from a PIONEER Plasma which is fed a SD signal.

the above image seen from a SAMSUNG series 8 LCD which is fed a SD signal.notice detail below the turban which u cannot see in the best of plasma.

image from a sony 40inch V series which is actualy been positioned against samsung series 5.

the above image from a PIONEER Plasma which is fed a 1080p FHD signal.

the above image from a SAMSUNG series 8 LCD which is fed a 1080p FHD signal notice detail below the turban which u cannot see in the best of
plasma.

image from a sony 40inch V series which is actualy been positioned against samsung series 5.

flared · #14 13th October 2008, 06:56 PM

That seems to have been added as an afterthought for the review. More like a standard disclaimer. They have not even included it in the Minuses of the TV even.

What model of Kuro and Samsung Series 8 did they compare? A 720P vs 1080P?
The screenshots are bad. I can take better pics on my cell phone cam and would you select your TV based on that?

No offence but when somebody asks for a suggestion on whether to go for a LCD or a Plasma, its best to tell them the relative advantages and disadvantages of each technology rather than state things as facts. This would help him in auditioning both the technologies armed with information but allowing his eye to decide which gives the best quality.

adder · #15 13th October 2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flared

That seems to have been added as an afterthought for the review. More like a standard disclaimer. They have not even included it in the Minuses of the TV even.

What model of Kuro and Samsung Series 8 did they compare? A 720P vs 1080P?
The screenshots are bad. I can take better pics on my cell phone cam and would you select your TV based on that?

No offence but when somebody asks for a suggestion on whether to go for a LCD or a Plasma, its best to tell them the relative advantages and disadvantages of each technology rather than state things as facts. This would help him in auditioning both the technologies armed with information but allowing his eye to decide which gives the best quality.

well comparision b/w pioneer KURO PDP508XD 50inch 1080p plasma and series 8 LE52866 52inch 1080p lcd.
and i u are talking about color differences in ur assumption of bad shots there are quite number of factors as to why it varies different backlight used,different image processing tech ,if u looked at the previous threads i already explained why there is a differnce in colors.

khaadu75 · #16 13th October 2008, 08:56 PM

Whoa ... Im having to go and try and understand each fancy word before undestanding a post but in short what Im getting is that the LCD seems to be a better buy keeping in mind the long hours of gaming

!!

Well , it is for her but yeah I could be using it a bit more initially !! After the initial euphoria of a BIG screen I will probably only watch cricket on it ....

Also whats about the breaking in of a TV ... I mean I knew we had to run in the cars engine , run in a cricket bat but DAMN - didnt know one had to run in a TV as well for the first 100 hrs . What is one supposed to do in the first 100 hrs ??

I checked about prices and Im getting the Samsung 4 series for 50k and the 5 series for 58k ( LCD tv in Delhi ) , are these good prices ?? Im tilted towards the 4 series as I dont see much difference in the two except for the HD compatible feature in the 5 series and also a USB port ...

The 40 inch Samsung in 4 series has been offered at 55k .... whats a decent viewing distance for a 40 inch LCD panel ??

CHeers

psychotropic · #17 13th October 2008, 08:56 PM

adder dude, that is complete bollocks....

the native contrast ratio of even the bare basic plasma screens like the PV8 and the Samsung 410 are in the region of 10,000:1 whereas their dynamic contrast ratios are in the region of 1,00,000 to 1 million:1. The native contrast ratios of the very best LCD panels do not exceed 3000:1 and dynamic contrast ratios do not exceed 70,000:1. LCD TVs have a lot of great things about them, but claiming contrast ratio as one of them is absolutely false!

The warning about image retention is there, because it's still an issue, albeit much less of an issue than before. The same way black levels and motion tracking are still an issue with LCDs, while much than before.

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Originally Posted by adder

well lcds from samsung and sony have surpassed plasma like PV8 which has a contrast measured at 1800:1 and the samsung last year plasma have a contrast of 916:1 while the lcd from samsung series 5,6 and sony W,x,v etc have a contrast as high as 3000.offcourse their dynamic contrast exceed this figure by a huge margin and lcd with ACTIVE LED backlight can surpass the native contrast figures too.
well pioneer plasma the very best of the lot only gives a native contrast of aprox 3620:1 not 15000:1 while the samsung series 8 gives a native contrast of 3000:1 while its dynamic contrast is stated at 70000:1.
but they have warned about the burn in issue in the panasonic plasma.

psychotropic · #18 13th October 2008, 08:59 PM

and those photographs again. Please don't judge TVs by these photographs. Go see them for yourself!

flared · #19 13th October 2008, 09:17 PM

On the contrary, I suggest that you try out both technologies to try and check what suits you best. First step is to go to a showroom which has both these TV's. Don't take a decisin before actually viewing the TV.

'Breaking in' is done for plasma tvs by toning down the picture settings, using a display mode that fills the screen, not displaying static images for a long time onscreen. These are precautionary measures for avoiding 'Burn ins'. Whether its actually required or not is up for discussion.

You could use this site to get an idea about pricing...
Compare Television: LCD TV, Flat Televisions, Plasma TV. Compare Price, Size & TV Features

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Originally Posted by khaadu75

Whoa ... Im having to go and try and understand each fancy word before undestanding a post but in short what Im getting is that the LCD seems to be a better buy keeping in mind the long hours of gaming

!!

Well , it is for her but yeah I could be using it a bit more initially !! After the initial euphoria of a BIG screen I will probably only watch cricket on it ....

Also whats about the breaking in of a TV ... I mean I knew we had to run in the cars engine , run in a cricket bat but DAMN - didnt know one had to run in a TV as well for the first 100 hrs . What is one supposed to do in the first 100 hrs ??

I checked about prices and Im getting the Samsung 4 series for 50k and the 5 series for 58k ( LCD tv in Delhi ) , are these good prices ?? Im tilted towards the 4 series as I dont see much difference in the two except for the HD compatible feature in the 5 series and also a USB port ...

The 40 inch Samsung in 4 series has been offered at 55k .... whats a decent viewing distance for a 40 inch LCD panel ??

CHeers

adder · #20 13th October 2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by psychotropic

adder dude, that is complete bollocks....

the native contrast ratio of even the bare basic plasma screens like the PV8 and the Samsung 410 are in the region of 10,000:1 whereas their dynamic contrast ratios are in the region of 1,00,000 to 1 million:1. The native contrast ratios of the very best LCD panels do not exceed 3000:1 and dynamic contrast ratios do not exceed 70,000:1. LCD TVs have a lot of great things about them, but claiming contrast ratio as one of them is absolutely false!

The warning about image retention is there, because it's still an issue, albeit much less of an issue than before. The same way black levels and motion tracking are still an issue with LCDs, while much than before.

well we all know that plasma and lcds also dont give the claimed static contrast ,10000:1 is a lot even for plasma standards,the pioneer kuro is measured at 3620:1 static contrast,the sony and samsung are anywhere b/w 1800:1 to about 3000:1.u can even ask chaos he would not agree with the plasma static contrast claims of 10000:1 for a samsung when the pioneer is measured at 3620:1.

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