Cat 7 Cable

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I was looking around for Cat7 cable and was surprised to find that my local computer bazaar is clueless about CAT7 cable. PLenty of Cat5 and Cat6 cables but very little info on Cat7 cables. Even while looking up Cat7 cable online, all results are overseas suppliers. Would like some help from FMs on sources of CAT7 cable for approx 25m length.

The best offer I can get on a "bulk" cable is for Cables Unlimited RJ45 terminated 50 ft bundle for approx Rs 6,300 on Amazon.in

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Sorry to ask out of topic but are all your equipments which you intend to connect using cat7 already 10Giga compatible?
 
I read "CAT7 Ethernet cable is designed to be used in 10 Gigabit networks..." and I don't suppose many computer shops are supplying to data/super-computer centres. I wonder why you want it? <Cross-posted with haisaikat>

If you are seriously interested in CAT-n compliance, I recommend that you read this article at Blue Jeans: Is Your Cat 6 Cable a Dog? It came as a shock to me to learn that, whilst the building cables were all properly installed and tested, it is quite likely that most of the flyleads I was buying were rubbish. Hey, they still worked, though.

Of course, fifty people doing office work is not the same as fifty people streaming HD movies to their desktops (well, I hope they weren't :lol:)

Just... it seems that, if one really wants cat-n performance, and not just the label, it is probably not to buy un-named "bulk" cable.
 
Sorry to ask out of topic but are all your equipments which you intend to connect using cat7 already 10Giga compatible?

I am aware of Gigabit networks and no I am not running a supercomputer network at home (yet).

I just wanted to use Cat7 because I wanted to do a little future proofing. Cat7 is backwards compatible with Cat6 and Cat5 so I just assumed the superior cross talk and system noise specs would help. In addition Cat7 offers shielding for individual wire pairs. Can't be bad for my media requirements.

Looks like it's still a developing standard and not as widespread as I thought.

Just... it seems that, if one really wants cat-n performance, and not just the label, it is probably not to buy un-named "bulk" cable.

By "bulk" I meant longer lengths of cable. I'm looking for at least 25m length.
Normally, patch cables are available in shorter lengths of 1.5m, etc.
 
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I saw many CAT7 cables being sold in Hong Kong/China. Up to 10 meter length was a common sight. But looking carefully finding a 25m length shouldn't be impossible. Problem will be accessibility. If someone is traveling and is willing to look around, I'd suggest get it from there. Looking in India is likely to be a waste of time. Even if the label says CAT7, it may not actually be class compliant.

Or if you want it sooner, there is one listed here: http://www.amazon.de/Patchkabel-Cat7-600MHz-doppelt-geschirmt/dp/B004ULZ8XE

Slightly expensive, but hopefully quality will make up for that.
 
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A lot of times (enough number of times to be called often) these so called CAT7 cables are actually rebadged CAT5/CAT6. So watch out.

BTW, 50ft is only 15m.
 
A lot of times (enough number of times to be called often) these so called CAT7 cables are actually rebadged CAT5/CAT6. So watch out.

BTW, 50ft is only 15m.


Thanks for the heads up on that. The 50 ft length seems to be longest ready made length available.

Still a lot of red flags going up ... might be better to just wait for more info.
 
Hi Nikhil,

CAT-7 sounds like an Excellent idea.

I checked at Lamington Road .... Unfortunately not available ... :eek:
 
It is not very difficult to install network cabling, nor is it very difficult to make flyleads. However, that doesn't mean that I'm suggesting it as a DIY option for all! It requires some knowledge and experience and has to be done with care. The results should also be tested, which obviously requires specialist equipment. Without testing, CAT-n is CATnothing!

I recall watching over the shoulder as the engineers cabled a patch panel in my computer room. I was surprised to see them making sure that any stripped cable was re-twisted to exactly the same lay. I like cabling neat, even inside a mains plug, but this seemed to be going a bit far! Oh no, I was told, it is essential: if the cable is untwisted it can no longer be to spec. I'm sure there was and is a lot more that I don't know about practical twisted-pair networking! It can be summed up thus: It needs to be done by a qualified engineer.

Surely, though, such people can be found in our cities? As with all trades, though, It is pretty hard to know who is good and who just tells us that they are good. How does one judge a good doctor without being one?

But if one wants a house cabled for CAT-n networking, or flyleads made up, it must be possible. Flylead RJ45 connectors are only crimped, and only require a special tool. But beware of "only" because I have made up all sorts of cables in my hands-on small-office IT Management career, and they all worked except my network flyleads, which I decided to buy in or leave to the experts.

Properly done, CAT-n ethernet networking is incredibly robust. I'm sure that many of the cat flyleads I used were probably dogs as per the Blue Jeans article, but apart from a handful of fails, problems were nearly always traced to configuration rather than physical cable. True, data centres have problems with imperfect cables, but there is huge difference between driving a network to its maximum and networking in business or home.

CAT-5[e] is good enough and fast enough for us. It is robust enough for us and resilient enough for us. I'm not saying don't buy CAT-6/etc... but there is no need to break heads over sourcing/installation. All these higher numbers do is to permit moving data faster and further. I don't think that running 10/100 over CAT-6 is going to be "better" than running it over CAT-5. And, if anybody insists on winding their cable around a fluorescent tube then nothing can save them!

A lot of times (enough number of times to be called often) these so called CAT7 cables are actually rebadged CAT5/CAT6. So watch out.
Oh dear, that doesn't surprise me at all. I think that if we serious about any level of CAT-ness we must stick to names like Belden?
 
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I effectively retired over a decade ago, and I don't attempt to keep up to date, but without this thread I would never have hear of it even. Unless there are reasons why not, eg pricing, I suppose it will become the standard of the day, whether the capacity is needed or not. For now, I guess it remains a bit esoteric. How many network adapters and suitable for home/small-office routers are there available to take advantage of it?

If anyone wants to go huge capacity with complete immunity to electrical noise, there's fibre. Don't know how practical that would be outside the network cabinet?

Hmmm... fibre-networked house: that would be something to show off! :D
 
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A lot of times (enough number of times to be called often) these so called CAT7 cables are actually rebadged CAT5/CAT6. So watch out.

As Nikhil has pointed out .... In CAT-7 Cables, each twisted pair is individually shielded. ( for CAT-5 and CAT-6 there is no shielding of pairs).

Easy enough to identify from a dud.
 
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I may well end up going the Cat6 route but really what appeals to me about Cat7 is the shielding. People I have been in contact with have confirmed that it makes a difference especially over the 25m length I am looking at.
 
As Nikhil has pointed out .... In CAT-7 Cables, each twisted pair is individually shielded. ( for CAT-5 and CAT-6 there is no shielding of pairs).

Easy enough to identify from a dud.

Thanks for letting know, I didn't know that. I have two questions.

(1) How do you make sure when buying online the cable is indeed individually shielded? Do they send you a small sample for you to examine before ordering?

(2) How do you prevent cheapskates from claiming a CAT5 wire to be CAT7 and selling it to unsuspecting prospects?
 
I may well end up going the Cat6 route but really what appeals to me about Cat7 is the shielding. People I have been in contact with have confirmed that it makes a difference especially over the 25m length I am looking at.

I used CAT 5e cable to network two offices in separate buildings about 150 meters apart. The network worked reasonably well and supported about 50+ simultaneous users effectively. [But none of the users were audiophiles, something that might be of paramount importance.]

My point is - depending on the usage, CAT 7 might be required. But for most day-to-day applications it's an overkill as of today.
 
I believe that even the old 10Mbs network would be perfectly adequate for domestic purposes, including audio, but I have one reservation: HD Video.
People I have been in contact with have confirmed that it makes a difference especially over the 25m length I am looking at.
What's the maximum length for cat5/6? 100m, I think. Don't worry about 25. What difference?
But none of the users were audiophiles, something that might be of paramount importance.

:lol:

couldn't resist that, but yes, office users will seldom be constantly streaming data so it is important.
 
Thad,

From what I've discussed, the integrity of the data transfer isn't the issue - the protocols take care of that.
However, apparently there is some kind of hash in the audio that gets removed when using a good shielded cable.

I did exchange notes with someone today who confirmed that Cat6 is enough for streaming audio - so I might just do that to start with.
Should be able to get a good Cat 6 cable locally so costs would be reasonable.
 
Thad,

From what I've discussed, the integrity of the data transfer isn't the issue - the protocols take care of that.
However, apparently there is some kind of hash in the audio that gets removed when using a good shielded cable.

I did exchange notes with someone today who confirmed that Cat6 is enough for streaming audio - so I might just do that to start with.
Should be able to get a good Cat 6 cable locally so costs would be reasonable.

Hi Nikhil,

Can you please clarify if you intend to use Cat 7 cable (heard it for the first time too!) to stream the digital signal (containing the music) or are you planning to pass analog audio (use it like speaker wire)?

I am assuming the former - meaning, you are trying to setup a home network?

A small clarification: The hash you described above - it usually works a bit differently. Digital data (packets) being streamed are oblivious of the underlying wire. However, network protocols (at various levels or layers) have software mechanisms built in that detect packet (data) corruption and packet loss. What you can hash is (i think) CRC checksum - i.e. the network devices sending and receiving packets use a checksum algorithm to ensure that the packet contents are pristine. If non-pristineness is detected, they will ask the sender to reissue the packet.

Then, there are other mechanisms by which the network will throttle down speed to ensure accuracy (which is always paramount in a computer network) because of all the re-issuing of packets going on. This is sometimes because the physical layer (the wire) or the environment is noisy.

Probably this is what you were alluding to - i.e. a better shielded wire will cause less packet reissues and thus causing better network bandwidth. But just to be clear, a better cable does not avoid the CRC checksum and other safeguards in a network. Those are baked in to the computer network - and will happen regardless. And computer packets are agnostic to the payload they are carrying -audio signal or otherwise. All that a better cable does is assure more reliability in terms of targeted bandwidth.

While this is certainly true, one thing to consider is that the audio packets are such a small portion of the overall network bandwidth that even a fairly noisy environments may not cause that much of an issue - as far as audio performance is concerned.

Of course, we love to do overkill in the audio world, and I would probably do the same as you, if the incremental cost is not prohibitive :)

There's a nice article about this, from who else, but the guys at Blue Jeans cable. (hey, Thad might have already posted this link earlier) What is shocking is how little quality control that really goes on in the network cabling world, even among the big names.

And their price of $55 for 50 ft of cable isn't horribly bad - it is more expensive than monoprice for sure but not ridiculously more. But perhaps, going directly to the source is a better idea??

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