Garrard 401 in the house !

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Since I had been around the idler route for just more than a decade and over this time gently evolved a standard lenco to a PTP completely customized item and today the only original parts remaining are the motor and platter !

Earlier thread here.

I did upgrade/side grade my amplification to a pre power and ( LTA MZ2 and Quicksilver) and Phono to a Ear834P . Although I loved the simplicity of a lenco, had an urge to get a little bit more "sophisticated" with a Garrard 401 and started looking out for one and finally got one from an FM having missed out on some sales earlier this year.
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This came with a built in plinth and an 9"SME tonearm but since i already had a 12" Thomas schick, setup a sub optimal tonearm base as a temporary measure and started the redesign of a new plinth. I had to paint this so learnt metal and wood painting and ended with this..
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Having connected to several FMs with garrards and plinth experience and a lot of thanks to you all- @Rajiv , @reubensm , @G401fan and @shafic . Also got in touch with other experts around forums in the world and finally came down the the original Loricraft skeletal plinth as the best and worked out the right design concept http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/10/07/2017/the-loricraft-garrard-401-vintage-delight/ was very interesting.

Reached out to resident master builder @sadik and along with him worked out all the details of the plinth design , of the material : 24" birchwood ply, stainless steel pillars and tonearm board. While Covid , my son exams etc etc all delayed and finally last month ended with this
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Experimented with a lot of suspensions between the top wood and base and the pillars ie: nothing, Squash balls, O rings, Rubber blocks and in the end came up with half cut squash balls as the best of the lot.

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So far the sound is very good. the organic quality of the 401 comes through ..comparatively the Lenco perhaps has lesser noise floor but sounds more modern...

Lots to tweak in the setup to get the sound right. @prem and @Dr.Bass continue as my helpdesk to get the sound right :)

A real big shout out to @sadik , his understanding of audio as helps in building out such a high quality product in terms of the wood and the finish and precision of the solid steel pillars. They just fit in beautifully and precisely and his ideas around the design were really great.
 
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What a beauty!
When working with used Garrards, keep an eye on the idler mount bearing, idler tension springs and motor suspension. Maintenance mechs usually focus on the spindle and motor itself but if you have all bases checked out, you can keep the noise out. I always love it when an upgrade from L75 to 401 happens, as thats the route I took. Wish you many hours of happy listening.
 

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Congrats Arj. Enjoy the 401
Thanks Prem, it was your input which led to this ..and spend more money :D

Congratulations arjun.
Plinth and your Garrard 401 looks so beautiful .
Thanks a lot for the time spent on getting the plinth design right !

What a beauty!
When working with used Garrards, keep an eye on the idler mount bearing, idler tension springs and motor suspension. Maintenance mechs usually focus on the spindle and motor itself but if you have all bases checked out, you can keep the noise out. I always love it when an upgrade from L75 to 401 happens, as thats the route I took. Wish you many hours of happy listening.
thanks Reuben. Your thread is what inspired me to open up. Currently except for the Motor have cleaned/serviced everything else. got the spares from the classic hifi shop ie Circlips/Springs/gaskets
 

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Hi Arj,
Plinth and TT look great. Congratulations.
What cartridge do you have on the 47 Labs tonearm?
Have you tried the Decca on the 47 Lab tonearm? I think you will like the combination. Lovely fluid sound.

Regards
Rajiv
 

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Hi Arj,
Plinth and TT look great. Congratulations.
What cartridge do you have on the 47 Labs tonearm?
Have you tried the Decca on the 47 Lab tonearm? I think you will like the combination. Lovely fluid sound.

Regards
Rajiv
its exactly that..was a struggle to get it in and put it only yesterday. need to connect it to the phono now
 

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Since I had been around the idler route for just more than a decade and over this time gently evolved a standard lenco to a PTP completely customized term and today the only original parts remaining are the motor and platter !

Earlier thread here.

I did upgrade/side grade my amplification to a pre power and ( LTA MZ2 and Quicksilver) and Phono to a Ear834P . although I loved the simplicity of a lenco, had an urge to get a little bit more "sophisticated" with a Garrard 401 and started looking out for one and finally got one from an FM having missed out on some sales earlier this year.
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This came with a built in plinth and an 9"SME tonearm but since i already had a 12" Thomas schick, setup a sub optimal tonearm base as a temporary measure and started the redesign of a new plinth. I had to paint this so learnt metal and wood painting and ended with this..
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Having connected to several FMs with garrards and plinth experience and a lot of thanks to you all- @Rajiv , @reubensm , @G401fan and @shafic . Also got in touch with other experts around forums in the world and finally came down the the original Loricraft skeletal plinth as the best and worked out the right design concept http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/10/07/2017/the-loricraft-garrard-401-vintage-delight/ was very interesting.

Reached out to resident master builder @sadik and along with him worked out all the details of the plinth design , of the material : 24" birchwood ply, stainless steel pillars and tonearm board. While Covid , my son exams etc etc all delayed and finally last month ended with this
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Experimented with a lot of suspensions between the top wood and base and the pillars ie: nothing, Squash balls, O rings, Rubber blocks and in the end came up with half cut squash balls as the best of the lot.

View attachment 64514

So far the sound is very good. the organic quality of the 401 come through ..comparatively the Lenco perhaps has lesser noise floor but sounds more modern...

Lots to tweak in the setup to get the sound right. @prem and @Dr.Bass continue as my helpdesk to get the sound right :)

A real big shout out to @sadik , his understanding of audio as helps in building out such a high quality product in terms of the wood and the finish and precision of the solid steel pillars. They just fit in beautifully and precisely and his ideas around the design were really great.
QQ, is the top level of the plinth balancing on sliced tennis balls?
 

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Congrats arj! Lovely looking Garrard 401 setup. Always admired the Thomas Schick tonearm.
Thanks @anilva ! there are quite a few better arms..bit this works so well with DL103 and Ortofon SPUs so a keeper for me :)
That and the RSA1 with a simple Decca..

Looking really lovely and very unique too arj. Enjoy :)
Labour of love. Just love the passion that went into all this.
Congratulations. This is an absolute beauty. Enjoy music
Congratulations @arj this looks like a beauty. I'm sure it sounds great too.
the sound is still a work in progress ! but you know it feels good..need to figure out the reason for some frequency getting cutoff...must be the room :rolleyes:
 

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Congratulations! I bet it sounds as lovely as it looks.

I bought a Lenco L75/S this past year, and am very taken with that idler sound, even stock 9the arm is picking up some noise, though). The plan is to make a heavy CLD plinth with scrap plywood and MDF in the garage, mount a Grace or Rega arm on the plinth (fingers crossed this will eliminate the noise from the stock arm, which I believe it is picking up either from the top plate or being near the motor with poorly shielded wire). Once I get it sounding to my liking, I will make a proper one with quality wood.

Here's to that amazing idler sound! Whoot!
 

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Congratulations! I bet it sounds as lovely as it looks.

I bought a Lenco L75/S this past year, and am very taken with that idler sound, even stock 9the arm is picking up some noise, though). The plan is to make a heavy CLD plinth with scrap plywood and MDF in the garage, mount a Grace or Rega arm on the plinth (fingers crossed this will eliminate the noise from the stock arm, which I believe it is picking up either from the top plate or being near the motor with poorly shielded wire). Once I get it sounding to my liking, I will make a proper one with quality wood.

Here's to that amazing idler sound! Whoot!
Congratulations ! Setting up the Lenco was an interesting and learning experience and yes the plinth and tonearm are the right places to start.
By noise level do you mean any electrical Hum or a mechanical background noise ?

You could do a very simple experiment..take the Lenco out of the current plinth and rest it "Nude" on bricks on each corner ie each corner is elevated with a brick/Stone. now check the noise level ( if latter). if you do see a benefit a plinth will definitely help.

For a rega , it is not a drop in replacment for the Lenco ie the hole needs to be slightly modified ( a Linn drops in as is). Not sure of the Grace though !
 

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Congratulations ! Setting up the Lenco was an interesting and learning experience and yes the plinth and tonearm are the right places to start.
By noise level do you mean any electrical Hum or a mechanical background noise ?

You cold do a very simple experiment..take the Lenco out of the current plinth and rest it "Nude" on bricks on each corner ie each corner is elevated with a brick/Stone. now check the noise level ( if latter). if you do see a benefit a plinth will definitely help.

For a rega , it is not a drop in replacment for the Lenco ie the hole needs to be slightly modified ( a Linn drops in as is). Not sure of the Grace though !

It is an electrical hum, very faint, but in comparison to the Rega arm I put on a Mission 775S, it is audible.

The plan is to put the Rega or Grace arm on the new plinth, for my LOMCs, and keep the OEM Jelco arm for playing around with my many MMs, and finally get a dedicated mono cartridge a well as maybe a 78.

Good idea about trying the Lenco nude! I will give that a go when I get some time. :)
 
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