need sugg for high end reciver?

[kathir2010]

i can interested to build my home theater setup.im looking for high end reciver,like pioneer SC - LX83.my room size only 300sf.i have only 42 inch size plasma.but lx83 produce 190w per channel.its posibble to use pio lx83 use in 300 sft room,42 inch plasma?now i can build 5 .1 channel only.not 7.1 or 9.1.

my qustion are,
my room size 300 sft.42 in pany plasma,
1-my room size manages 190w reciver output or over sound?
2-42inch plasma matches 190w output reciver or any stress on high level,any sign of hardeningup?
pls quote price & shop deatails for pioneer lx83

 

[Lakozy Electronics]

You can also consider NAD AVRs which never gets obsolete due to their construction i.e "MDC" Modular Design Construction to know more, please visit this link here: NAD Electronics :: A/V Receivers
Also unlike any Japenese AVRs the sound signature of the NAD is on the Warm Side and they have high current amplifiers to Drive even the most difficult loudspeakers.

Ashish

 

[captrajesh]

Hey, what are you looking only for Pioneer?

If you are open to other makes, look in 'For Sale by owner' section. You will find Emotiva XPA5 power amp for sale Decent bargain IMO. AFAIK, it is a monster of an amp. "Ek dum Dhaasoo" stuff. You would need a Pre/processor though.

 

[ckn]

'For Sale by owner' section. You will find Emotiva XPA5 power amp for sale "

Cant seem to find this....? Can you point me towards the post please? Tx

 

[rbalagopalan]

Dear Kathir, Nice you had an Idea of building up your High end HT. I am surprised that you had mentioned High End and you are considering Pioneer!!!! ( In my opinion atleast no Japaneese product can contribute to a High End HT system). Also your room size is descent enough to build the system. You had not mentioned about your overall budget, if the same is given the forum members can give you a still better choices and options. Emotiva suggested buy another member is also a good suggestion when given to a high end system. Whereas it all depends on how exhaustive system that you want and much you wanted to invest. Please don't see only the Power output of the Receiver see also the THD of the receiver which can contribute to quality sound and a receiver of 100 to 120 watts should do justice to your room size. Hope I am not confusing you here. Thanks.

 

[acoustics]

@ rbalagopalan
it wouldn't be nice to say that japanese av brands cant contribute to a high end system, where as a lot of us here know that a lot of high end american brands are selling repackaged / re-badged chinese products at highly inflated prices
brands such as
lexicon ,mark and levinson , sunfire , parasound are a few to be named
and even emotiva has done this though they didnt sell their versions at inflated prices

on the other hand japanese brands like yamaha , denon and onkyo have a very decent range of high end products

 

[hemant0285]

Look out for Denon 3311 or Yamaha 1067 or If u can get Yamaha Aventage Series... A1000 model....I guess these Recievers fall in the best performing SO Called HIGH END RECIEVERS....Emotiva fals in even higher end ...

 

[Vinod.R]

What about Classe, Bryston or krell or mono blocks with a separate high end AV processor? You can start with 5 mono blocks and add as you go along?

Just my two bits

Cheers

 

[venkatcr]

@ rbalagopalan
it wouldn't be nice to say that japanese av brands cant contribute to a high end system, where as a lot of us here know that a lot of high end american brands are selling repackaged / re-badged chinese products at highly inflated prices
brands such as........parasound are a few to be named and even emotiva has done this though they didnt sell their versions at inflated prices

Parasound and Emotiva? Where did you get such crazy information from? Every Parasound product is designed by John Curl, though it may be assembled in China. Parasound make some of the best amplifiers in the world.

Cheers

 

[prithivi]

parasound is a high end brand too
i used parasound hca-1200
and currently using parasound HCA-800 MKII

 

[prithivi]

Rotel is really good Beautiful for movies

real THEATRE EFFECT i plannin to match with cadence speakers once i complete yu can have a audition in my home

 

[rbalagopalan]

Dear acoustics, You had mentioned about rebadging and repacking of the American brand receivers which are made in China I think the Japanese brands what ever you had mentioned are also made in china only with the japanese brand names. It is inevitable to day that every product manufacturer is dependent on Chinese Industrial market to bring down their product cost low as the cost of production is lot lower compared to any country on earth today.

Every brand have their own quality standards and performance standards. On this scale only I said that I will not be able to see any japanese brand as top end. Moreover my comment is not based on only by reading the reviews and going through the technical specifications I had almost owned all these brands over a period of time and I physically had audition of all these brands.

That is why I said if budget is not a constraint, a person can look in for a still better product.

Thanks and regards

 

[rbalagopalan]

Parasound and Emotiva? Where did you get such crazy information from? Every Parasound product is designed by John Curl, though it may be assembled in China. Parasound make some of the best amplifiers in the world.

Cheers

One more thing to add to my earlier post, in this context I would like to vouch Venkantcr's version. Thanks

 

[acoustics]

dear rbalagopalan by the term "rebadging" i dont mean that an american product being made in chinese factories . Rebadging is done by putting an american brandname on product originally designed/developed by a OEM/ODM in china/taiwan in other words buying a second party designed product.
Now rebadging in not at all bad until and unless a rebadged product is sold at a proper Value for money, but when a $300 valued product is put into a new casing and sold at $3000 its then considered to be bad .
A lot of higher end elite american brand products are an example of bad rebadging
1. lexicon sold $500 valued bluray player originally made by oppo @ $3500
2. Emotiva and Sunfire have sold $500 valued av product at $1500 namely the DMC1 fully designed and developed by a very nice chinese electronic OEM giant called integrity electronics a division of homni group, this is the same company who is an oem vendor for krell
3.Amp specialist Mark and levinson Sold the Original $200 valued korsun U2 amp by the name of Red rose Valued @ $2000

Now i ll give you an example of good rebadging also
the bluray players Philips BDP 7200 , Denon BD 1800 ,Onkyo BD 606 are rebadged products of the original Funai M110, the good thing here is all of them sold at or near $500


and let me correct venkat here too, as far as john curl is concerned he is the guru in the field of amp designs and he is only behind the amplifier range from parasound and not the av processors, their prestigious Halo series of av processors were originally concieved by a design house in Finland .This designs group was later shutdown and parasound had to move to some chinese designing facility and after working with them for one full year they realized that the chinese failed to deliver and that was when the annouced products C3 and hdp70 were cancelled and the hardware designed manufactured by that chinese vendor in that year was scrapped.

 

[captrajesh]

Emotiva and Sunfire have sold $500 valued av product at $1500 namely the DMC1 fully designed and developed by a very nice chinese electronic OEM giant called integrity electronics a division of homni group, this is the same company who is an oem vendor for krell
3.Amp specialist Mark and levinson Sold the Original $200 valued korsun U2 amp by the name of Red rose Valued @ $2000

You are seeming to indicate that the Chinese companies have designed and developed the amps and the American companies have simply rebadged them and sellling them at exorbitant cost whereas AFAIK, these American companies have outsourced their manufacturing to the Chinese companies who in addition to manufacturing the goods have reverse engineered the product and launched their own in blatant disregard to civil and moral norms. Not to offend you but I'm not sure if a layman can figure what it takes to develop a product.

The forum is open for further discussion.

 

[acoustics]

captrajesh there are brilliant ppl all across the world who can design wonderful products.It is not necessary that they are just avaliable in America. I dont know if you ever had a chance to visit CES or CEDIA and there you would be surprized to see and meet the real designers at various stalls of major brands who belong to china ,India and also from very small countries of the world and yes there are a lot of talanted and capable designers in china and our own country india also.

 

[captrajesh]

captrajesh there are brilliant ppl all across the world who can design wonderful products.It is not necessary that they are just avaliable in America. I dont know if you ever had a chance to visit CES or CEDIA and there you would be surprized to see and meet the real designers at various stalls of major brands who belong to china ,India and also from very small countries of the world and yes there are a lot of talanted and capable designers in china and our own country india also.

I agree with you 100% that there are brilliant people all across the world. All I'm saying is, in the examples you have quoted, it is the Chinese companies that have rebadged the American products. Take the example of Mark Levinson. Leaving aside his personal issues due to which he was thrown out of the company of his name by the investors, he was a designer par excellence. He then established Red Rose and Cello and outsourced production to the Chinese company. What they do? Deliver the goods fine but also copy his designs and launch Dussun and the likes.

My moot point is, Chinese model of development is not based on developing new products but offer manufacturing at a price so cheap, it is hard to resist. Their Government has pulled out all sops to ensure that China becomes a hub for low cost manufacturing. That is their strength.

Cheers


Rajesh

 

[acoustics]

dear rajesh
heres how things work in china. There are two types of manufactuers there one of them being just surplus manufactures who do what they are told and the second type of ppl are who have extermly big facilities which house the manufacturing line as well as in house development and research .These are the ones who continously design and develop their own unbranded products and then these firms are visited by buyers from all over the world including from high end audio brands from the US , if anyone likes certain product they buy it and the companies rebadge the product for them.When the deal is signed, there is a time frame on it because no one knows how well will the product sell and after this time frame is over the chinese ppl will have the right to resell or rebadge the product for any other brand.

as far as the red rose is concerned the korsun U2 amp was a design which was already being sold from about an year in various parts of the world as the korsun U2, and then in the US it was resold as the premium red rose tag and this was disclosed by ppl who already were using the original korsun amp for a long time

 

[no1lives4ever]

Here is a review of the Lexicon BD 30 BluRay player, where the reviewer does a very good job of explaining why this is a Oppo BD 83 with a fancy faceplate.

This is a case of one American producer of high end products licensing a product of another American producer and then selling the same with a 600% markup which covers the branding cost and the cost of a good looking hefty case.

This is common practice in the audio industry. You can not expect every company to have R&D team capable of working on CD Players, DVD Players, BluRay Players, AV Receivers, Integrated Amps, Speakers, etc. But you will find that most companies sell an entire range of audio gear.

There are quite a few big manufacturers of white labeled products. These companies would typically specialize in a few products. Their R&D teams would create a range of products that are then offered to other companies for sale using their own brand. A lot of time the company that puts a brand on such a product does make changes to the original product and its quality. Mostly this is limited to the changes in menu structure and some firmware tweaks along with the external appearance.

Those who believe that chinese manufacturers are only capable of copying products that they manufacture for major global brands should get a reality check. Today in the field of electronics and computer hardware, there are a lot of chinese companies which do a very good job of designing products from scratch. And there are quite a few chinese manufacturers who do offer white labeled OEM products that any manufacturer can pick up and sell with minor tweaks.

Currently there is Convergence Asia fair being held in Pragati Maidan, Delhi. I have not been to this fair in the past 2 years, but before that I saw lots of chinese cell phone OEMs offering cheap white labeled GSM cell phones. Today you see those products and their successors being sold in the Indian market by all the new "Indian" GSM phone manufacturers. I would suggest those who doubt the chinese producers capablities to visit this fair and check out the various high end products on display.

Having seen the quality of work produced by the chinese, I would not be surprised if there are some genuinely good designers working on high end audio products in China.

-- no1lives4ever

 

[Absolute Phase]

You can look at the Arcam AVR 400, 500, 600 or the Anthem MRX 500, 700.