Popcorn hour A410 has been launched, and My review on PCH MM players.

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Popcornhour A410 has been launched on this January 2nd.

I have been using Popcporn hour (PCH) since A100 model. To just give a brief write up: (I start from C200 as A100 is too outdated)

At the out set in my experience with media players I found PCH to be more reliable and with very good menu structure.

C200

I had this player almost for a year. I got it upgraded with Blueray drive. It has got a hotswapable 3.5" HDD tray. So you need to buy an internal drive only.(direct cost saving). This model supports up to 2TB comfortably, the booting time is less than 45secs for the internal drive. The NTFS or FAT 32 formats are not accepted it does its own linux EXT formatting for the internal drives External no issues. So copying files to its internal add-on HDD can be done either by connecting the content external drive to the PCH200 and with copy paste tool (the inherent file transfer speed is 7 to 10 mbps) or else the add-on HDD to be mounted on a Obuntu OS PC or a Linux base PC and normal copy paste function can be done. As windows / MAC cannot directly detect this format.(some third party softwares are available though for windows platform)

The wireless connectivity (with optional Wifi dongle or pci card wired option is also there) is smooth. Mapping the drive and integration with PCs is excellent. Streaming of audio is smooth. Movie streaming is smooth only upto 4GB file sizes above that stuttering takes place. The best part of net connectivity is the Network Media Jukebox. every detail is automatically downloaded about the files like cover-art, movie synopsis, casts and director including IMDB rating. All you have to ensure is the correct movie / song titles.

The picture quality was above average and for a media player without Video processor it was great. With the final firmware support it becomes a great 3D player with out the need of HDMI 1.4.

I have not tried the audio directly from its audio out whereas I had connected it to a DAC with optical and the sound quality was not bad. The convenience of direct decoding of FLAC, WAV audio formats comes handy eliminating the PC and the great convenience of Remote, that too RF remote.

The attached Blueray drive sucks. Reading time is high and it is not region free. Of course you can decode it by numeric in remote but subject to a maximum of five per title. So would suggest not to go for Blueray combo at extra cost.

The blue back ground LED is of no big use. Support of torrent down loads are great for direct down loads.

C300

I don't want to go in to the technical details, specs and features as these are available in the company web site.

Just to start, All features are similar to the C200 except the following.

The built in hot swap supports upto 4TB astounding with a lightning booting time. Externals I have tested up to 8TB RAID, boots like a breeze and no hanging whatsoever.

The added colour display is handy when you want to play Audio files as you don't have to ON your TV / Projector.

The booting has still improved further. Menu has become more user friendly and simple. The live whether display on the home screen is handy and gives a high end feel. The implementation of E-Sata port is good for reading speed during copy paste process, any how it is not of great use for movie watching. USB-3 would have been a good addition.

If you have an Apple / Android device the free NMJ navigator app is the killer, my god it is gorgeous and you don't need PCH remote. More over if your device is of 10" size its awesome to see the files in your tab and do whatever you want. It is worth dedicating a low end 10" Android device for this purpose, of course obviously PCH and the TAB should be in same wifi network.

Though the blueray drive functionality has improved still it is only an option. I am yet find a way to ff / skip track in BD drive.

This has full scale support for BD ISO files that means it is affected by CINAVIA virus:mad:. So some of my 25GB+ ISO files are not playing in this. But for this it is an amazing MM player. (The day is not far off for antibiotics for this Cinavia Virus)

The addition of built in IR sensor is good for having a common remote.

This doubles as a NAS also and it is fantastic but still limited to streaming only upto 4GB movie files,like any other media player. If you are not a big file size movie collector this is a great NAS too.

The Apps market is great and still growing. One interesting and important app is Audio CD Ripper, you can directly rip the audio files lossless from CD and store / save it in the HDD in CDDA extension with out the use of PC & Third party software. I did try this and is super. play back of audio files is also improved with regard to quality comparing C200. I am yet to come across a single AV file that is not supported by this MM player.

Any other point comes in my mind about this I will add down the line.

A400

All the benefits of C300 are carried forward here with following implementations.

PCH has done away with player form factor and gone in favour of solid block form factor. This they could achieve by the great design from silverstone and the whole Aluminium body is acting like a heat sink also, because of this the Display is gone. The whole unit is built like a tank and to work for ever. With in this small form factor provision for the HDD tray is great. Like C 300 this also supports HDD upto 4TB on the hot swap tray.

The great inclusion is the USB 3 Slave and SIGMA VXP video processor chip. A chip which is used in 4000 to 9000$ Anthem HT processors.

The upgraded dual core CPU made the booting and files browsing still better than C300. The video quality is unsurpassed and blacks are true black even on 120 projection. Since no BD and BD menu support is not implemented in the firmware facilitating No-Entry for CINAVIA. So all the blueray ISOs are handled with out a hitch but we have to sacrifice the BD menu, and chapter selection only by Nos and not by the included screen shot in BD menu. So once you hit the movie file it starts the movie directly without going in to the Menu structure (where ever included) the hidden advantage is no boring movie trailers at startup. All this are applicable for 25GB ISO files and if you are not in the club just dont worry.
All together this is a great MM player with great design, performance and portability almost like a powered external HDD. Yes you can carry it with your family outings and hook it up and enjoy your collection of files.

A410

I have already placed order for 3Nos. of this player including one for me. I think it will be like its predecessor A400 with better speed and 2 Channel audio. Two great up gradation has been done, first one being increased RAM to 1024 MB and SABER 9023 built in DAC with the support for DSD files too (SACD files).

I will write a detailed review once I experience it for couple of weeks.

So if you are not worried about BD menu and most of your files are not of ISO you can count on PCH A400 / 410.

Note: I have used Exteremer HD pro, Asus, WD live, OPPO 105 as MM player. Though I have not used I have come across Dune, Bivix and himedia.
 
I've been a great fan of these, started from the original A 110 and now have had the A 200 for a few years, use a built in 2TB HDD. The remotes are far better than most other low cost media players. I have heard from others about the poor BR drive integration, though I have not felt the need to upgrade yet.
 
Hope this player is mostly bug free. Almost all the media player cos launch the player with buggy software, update it for some time and then release a new player leaving old customers. Same thing happened with A400. Hope it doesn't happen again.

Btw, I am not picking up on PCH. It's the same story with HiMedia, Xtreamer, Patriot, Western Digital and recently with Dune & their 3D players.
 
yes to say about the remote it is the most versatile than any player's remote. pressing the numeric key any where 1-9 will jump the movie to that % 0f time for example if you want to watch from 40% of the movie just press 4.

Both IR and RF remotes key pad lay out is identical so that operation is easier in case you swap players.

With regard to Cinavia bug it is inevitable for all brands and models internationally. As i mentioned time is not far off to get a BD ripping software for taking ISO image from BD disk with out Cinavia bug.

Alternately you can choose any player launched before March 2012 and be sure not to upgrade the firmware as all the BD drive manufacturers are instructed to impose Cinavia in their earlier player by providing the so called firmware upgrade.

IMO this is not a big issue as all we need to see is the main movie and 90% of the crowd is watching only maximum 4GB file so what if there is no BD menu.
 
Hope this player is mostly bug free. Almost all the media player cos launch the player with buggy software, update it for some time and then release a new player leaving old customers. Same thing happened with A400. Hope it doesn't happen again.

Btw, I am not picking up on PCH. It's the same story with HiMedia, Xtreamer, Patriot, Western Digital and recently with Dune & their 3D players.

Manoj Cinavia is not a bug. I have used words 'virus', 'infected', 'antibiotics' and 'bug' sarcastically. Actually Cinavia is a technology / software to be implemented by the BD player manufacturers. Equally if a movie disk or file with cinavia, will not play in the player in case it is a pirated one. You can google for more info on this.

is this unit available in india and price of same....what about pass thru of dolby digital hd ?

PCH does not sell in stores. I don't think there is an office in India or an importer in India for this. Don't worry it is very simple to import this as they directly ship it to you.

Their web site is Cloud Media - Cloud Media - Popcorn Hour, Popbox, FreeOTT

Note: I have no affiliation or whatsoever to this brand.

Why only DD true HD pass thru it has got even DTS MA HD too. In fact A410 PRO is in the pipeline which was announced prior to this on 4th September 2013. This is ultimate one. but if you have HT processor you don't have to spend that extra money.
 
I have A-400. I would like to know a comparison review of A-410 vs A400 on two fronts.

1) Audio quality if internal DAC is used for stereo music playback of standard CD rips.
2) Navigation ease on account of increased RAM.

Waiting for your review.

harits
 
Manoj Cinavia is not a bug. I have used words 'virus', 'infected', 'antibiotics' and 'bug' sarcastically. Actually Cinavia is a technology / software to be implemented by the BD player manufacturers. Equally if a movie disk or file with cinavia, will not play in the player in case it is a pirated one. You can google for more info on this.

Bala,

I wasn't referring to Cinavia as a bug. It's a technology which is not supported by all the newer media players as you rightly said. So, no, I wasn't considering it as a bug. I was referring to their other bugs like network packet losses, jukebox issues etc.
 

C200

So you need to buy an internal drive only.(direct cost saving). This model supports up to 2TB comfortably.... The NTFS or FAT 32 formats are not accepted it does its own linux EXT formatting for the internal drives External no issues.

The wireless connectivity (with optional Wifi dongle or pci card wired option is also there) is smooth. Mapping the drive and integration with PCs is excellent. Streaming of audio is smooth. Movie streaming is smooth only upto 4GB file sizes above that stuttering takes place.



Some notes on the C-200:

I have used the C-200 since it launched back in 2010- NTFS and Mac formatting both work with restrictions. When using either of those two formats the c-200's ability to write to the drives is disabled which means that the Jukebox doesn't work (a feature that has always been sloppy and unnecessary in my opinion)

Also I have utilized drives up to 3TB with no issues-

And finally I have streamed files much larger than 4GB without stuttering - the stuttering has more to do with the bit rate of the video and audio tracks within that file- So if you have a 3+ hour movie with a 12GB file size- the video bit rate could be quite manageable with flawless playback but if you have a 90 minute movie with a 12GB file Size- the bit rate will be much higher and ultimately effect playback.
 
A410

I have already placed order for 3Nos. of this player including one for me. I think it will be like its predecessor A400 with better speed and 2 Channel audio.....

All that jazz and 2 channel audio ??? :rolleyes:

When I have an AVR capable of decoding all the common formats 5.1 - 7.1 formats why the heck do I need 2 channel audio through HDMI?

Does it mean that I need to again run an Analogue cable for Surround Sound ? does not make any sense at all.
 
All that jazz and 2 channel audio ??? :rolleyes:

When I have an AVR capable of decoding all the common formats 5.1 - 7.1 formats why the heck do I need 2 channel audio through HDMI?

Does it mean that I need to again run an Analogue cable for Surround Sound ? does not make any sense at all.

You have completely mistaken or did not realize the intent of the post. He meant that he can use the media player for music as well which is stereo along with the movie playback. You can either use the optical/coaxial port or if the player has a dedicated stereo RCA ports then well and good.
 
All that jazz and 2 channel audio ??? :rolleyes:

When I have an AVR capable of decoding all the common formats 5.1 - 7.1 formats why the heck do I need 2 channel audio through HDMI?

Does it mean that I need to again run an Analogue cable for Surround Sound ? does not make any sense at all.

I think you need to follow the forum and get in to Audio hobby little more deeper to understand 'DAC', 2 Channel audio etc., Cause when we say 2 channel audio from a quality DAC its pure music for listening songs in a stereo setup and not surround sound.
 
You have completely mistaken or did not realize the intent of the post. He meant that he can use the media player for music as well which is stereo along with the movie playback. You can either use the optical/coaxial port or if the player has a dedicated stereo RCA ports then well and good.

I think you need to follow the forum and get in to Audio hobby little more deeper to understand 'DAC', 2 Channel audio etc., Cause when we say 2 channel audio from a quality DAC its pure music for listening songs in a stereo setup and not surround sound.

I understand that for music it is perfect with the 2 channel pure audio. Which is great and I appreciate that.

But besides that this is primarily a video oriented device. So when I have an AVR that has decoders for all the surround channels ( Dolby Digital, DTS, DD - EX, DTS - Neo etc..) It should support Audio pass through for these surround modes via HDMI and let the receiver handle the audio. Which I believe it does not.

So you again need to run an optical/co-axial cable which is like un-necessary when HDMI 1.3+ is supposed to support all of this.

Btw , in my current setup I have a HTPC running XBMC. However it is running linux mint, and am having some issues with surround audio formats pass through via HDMI. So thinking of getting a new media player that supports all including 3D handling, as I am getting new projector as well.

I also own an old PCH - A110. It served me well, but is pretty outdated now.
Let me know your thoughts on the 410 if you own one.

Thanks :thumbsup:
 
I understand that for music it is perfect with the 2 channel pure audio. Which is great and I appreciate that.

But besides that this is primarily a video oriented device. So when I have an AVR that has decoders for all the surround channels ( Dolby Digital, DTS, DD - EX, DTS - Neo etc..) It should support Audio pass through for these surround modes via HDMI and let the receiver handle the audio. Which I believe it does not.

So you again need to run an optical/co-axial cable which is like un-necessary when HDMI 1.3+ is supposed to support all of this.

Btw , in my current setup I have a HTPC running XBMC. However it is running linux mint, and am having some issues with surround audio formats pass through via HDMI. So thinking of getting a new media player that supports all including 3D handling, as I am getting new projector as well.

I also own an old PCH - A110. It served me well, but is pretty outdated now.
Let me know your thoughts on the 410 if you own one.

Thanks :thumbsup:

I think you can try to use the optical/coaxial out of any media player connected to a dedicated DAC (rather than the AVR over HDMI) and see the difference for stereo playback. You will forget about the AVR capability to do the audio decoding for 5.1/7.1. Most of AVRs are ok kind for stereo playback and especially if you try to decode the audio within the AVRs DAC.
 
All that jazz and 2 channel audio ??? :rolleyes:

When I have an AVR capable of decoding all the common formats 5.1 - 7.1 formats why the heck do I need 2 channel audio through HDMI?

Does it mean that I need to again run an Analogue cable for Surround Sound ? does not make any sense at all.

It has analog 2 channel outs and HDMI out for surround formats separately which can be decoded by the receiver. Please read it correctly. Why are analog 2 channel outs provided? Probably cos the dac for 2 channel is better than those found inside typical receivers.

As for me, I've been burnt by an xtreamer once and after that i built an HTPC. Now I have the best video quality, support for all formats and regular updates. Also it is not just a media player, it can be used as a normal pc when required. All in a footprint no bigger than that of the popcorn hour.
 
As for me, I've been burnt by an xtreamer once and after that i built an HTPC. Now I have the best video quality, support for all formats and regular updates. Also it is not just a media player, it can be used as a normal pc when required. All in a footprint no bigger than that of the popcorn hour.

Would be interested in your HTPC setup, could you please send me the details ?
will pm you my email id.

Did you source all the components from BLR itself ?

Thanks
 
Popcornhour A410 has been launched on this January 2nd.
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I will write a detailed review once I experience it for couple of weeks.

So if you are not worried about BD menu and most of your files are not of ISO you can count on PCH A400 / 410.

Note: I have used Exteremer HD pro, Asus, WD live, OPPO 105 as MM player. Though I have not used I have come across Dune, Bivix and himedia.

Hi Rbalagopalan,

I assume you have got your PCH A410 by now, So whats your feedback so far ?

Have 2 queries would appreciate your answer on the same.
- For direct shipping to India, what was the net landed cost ? i.e. including shipping + Duty ?
- Is there any lag in the photo slideshow mode ? cause I experienced this on my legacy A110.

Thanks
Fillmore
 
Hi Rbalagopalan,

I assume you have got your PCH A410 by now, So whats your feedback so far ?

Have 2 queries would appreciate your answer on the same.
- For direct shipping to India, what was the net landed cost ? i.e. including shipping + Duty ?
- Is there any lag in the photo slideshow mode ? cause I experienced this on my legacy A110.

Thanks
Fillmore

Looks like you missed my review on A-410 http://www.hifivision.com/media-streaming-players/49849-popcorn-hour-410-short-review.html
 
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