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Wanted Tracking force gauge

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Hello,
Looking for a tracking force gauge for my turntable, the Scheu Cello.
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google for digital weighing scale - get the one with .01g resolution
they're available on ecommerce sites for ~300
accurate too - I weighed my engagement ring, and it came up with the same weight as the one at the jewelers shop
 

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Greenhorn,
I presume '300' is in rupees? That would be cheap. Could you please give the link if possible. I use the Shure mechanical gauge which is readily available and reasonable good.
 

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google for digital weighing scale - get the one with .01g resolution
they're available on ecommerce sites for ~300
accurate too - I weighed my engagement ring, and it came up with the same weight as the one at the jewelers shop

Thanks. I have such a scale but it is too thick to have it on the platter while measuring. I need a low profile gauge.
 

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why not take the platter off, and use something else to adjust for the height until it lines up?

+1.

I do this all the time. It's a bit of extra work but allows one to take correct measurement (cartridge must be at the same level as when it's tracing the record groove).
 

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I use this to go with the mood but thats not rational just a minor OCD to keep it all Analogue :eek:
 

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The Scheu Cello is driven by a thin nylon thread which goes round the platter in a groove. Not sure if I will be comfortable removing it.
You can just about see it in this picture. This is not the Cello but has a similar arrangement.
why not take the platter off, and use something else to adjust for the height until it lines up?

+1.

I do this all the time. It's a bit of extra work but allows one to take correct measurement (cartridge must be at the same level as when it's tracing the record groove).
 

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Thanks. I have such a scale but it is too thick to have it on the platter while measuring. I need a low profile gauge.

Take a thin Al sheet and bend it in a Z profile. Stick one side to the scale with blue-tak. You can now position the scale near the platter or atop it in such a way that the Al extension is over the platter at almost the same height.

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Great idea! Thanks a lot.

Take a thin Al sheet and bend it in a Z profile. Stick one side to the scale with blue-tak. You can now position the scale near the platter or atop it in such a way that the Al extension is over the platter at almost the same height.

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Take a thin Al sheet and bend it in a Z profile. Stick one side to the scale with blue-tak. You can now position the scale near the platter or atop it in such a way that the Al extension is over the platter at almost the same height.

Regards,

I did this with a rigid but thin sheet of plastic. Initially I thought it worked well but later I realised that it messed with the accuracy of measurement. For example, with the plastic sheet glued to the top of the scale, it ought to show X grams constantly when no other weight is placed on the scale (X grams being the weight of the plastic sheet), but it showed zero:eek:

So I reverted to the tedious method as I could not be sure whether the scale took care of the constant offset or not.

Naturelover: you can stack some blocks of appropriate height between platter and arm at rest position, and place your scale on the blocks, so that you can measure the tracking weight at the correct height. That's the method I use:lol:
Or you can invest in the Shure scale shown by arj. It works really well. I have the plastic version from ProJect which doesn't have movable weight arrangement like the Shure.
 
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I'm ok using it on the platter, because even with the tonearm lifted by an inch or so , if my knowledge of physics is correct, the tracking force will be offset by only cosine of the VTA, which should be within 5-10 degrees, and consequently the error would be <1%
 

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Does it matter if the tonearm is not straight ? in a balance the force by the crtridge should be the same irrespective of if it is straight or not right ?
i just remove the record and put it on the mat directly for the weight. anyway tracking weight is also a range usually. although i choose 10% below the upper end to take care of any human/zero error
 

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Just made a quick check outside of the platter. Cart at approx platter level and raised by approximate gauge thickness. The difference came to near about 15%.
These are very rough measurements merely to see if there is a wide variation.
 
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That jewelers scale works well. I put it at place near to platter and tonearm just leaves armrest. So it could lay center on scale. For precaution i use cover on cartridge and adjust it with its 0.25gm considered.
 

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Just made a quick check outside of the platter. Cart at approx platter level and raised by approximate gauge thickness. The difference came to near about 15%.
These are very rough measurements merely to see if there is a wide variation.
Was antiskate set to zero?
 

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Just made a quick check outside of the platter. Cart at approx platter level and raised by approximate gauge thickness. The difference came to near about 15%.
These are very rough measurements merely to see if there is a wide variation.

This is my observation too hence I insist on measuring at "cartridge tracing record" level. As greenhorn noted, I also found this absurd and didn't have an explanation but I've observed it consistently.
 
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