Who’d you select for the first test against New Zealand?

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My XI for the opening Test:

- Prithvi Shaw
- Mayank Agarwal
- Cheteshwar Pujara
- Virat Kohli
- Ajinkya Rahane
- Hanuma Vihari
- Rishabh Pant
- Ravindra Jadeja
- Navdeep Saini
- Mohammad Shami
- Jaspreet Bumrah

12th man: Shubhman Gill

Rationale:

- Prithvi Shaw has never been out of form in his career and has performed consistently this season. A long term prospect such as him needs to be given a run of 8-10 matches at a stretch. Shubhman Gill, though talented, is a converted opening batsman.

- Mayank has done enough in past test series (mostly in India) and cannot be denied an opportunity to prove that he can perform overseas in swinging conditions. If he fails here, the same can be reviewed while selecting future teams. It’s possible (though less probable as an opener) that his stronger mind compensates for his weaker foot movement.

- Vihari lends solidity and calmness. He has the game to handle the second new ball. I have been guilty, like most, of underrating him. He has done nothing wrong and along with Pujara provides the contrast needed to the stroke makers. Gill, though a future middle order batsman and an exciting prospect, will have to bide his time and create a string impression when he gets a look in against some weaker side. I’d like to see him in the ODI team though - that seems to be the best suited format for him.

- The difference between Saha’s and Pant’s wicketkeeping isn’t as stark in non-spinning conditions. And Pant’s batting is far more potent than Saha’s in SENA countries. The pace and duration of Tests will also give him a chance to get his wits back after the T20 breakdown. In my opinion, just like the equally awash-buckling Sehwag, Pant will be a more successful test cricketer than a limited overs player.

- This NZ lineup won’t have more than two left-handers. And the pitch is unlikely to offer Ashwin much turn (and Vihari can pitch in with his off-spin if needed). Jadeja can do as effective a job as Ashwin of holding one end up and giving respite to the seamers. His fielding saves 15-20 runs per innings and he can get an odd run-out even in Test matches. But more than all this, his improved batting (I feel he is a far better batsman in Tests than in ODI/T20) will be sorely needed in both cases - to shore up the innings if the specialist batsmen fail or to fast build a declarable score if they succeed.

- Navdeep Saini ahead of the ‘fresh from injury’ Ishant is a like to like substitution and a promising one too with his pace and bounce inching slightly ahead of his equally lanky senior. Ishant has better control in like and length now, but Saini seems a faster learner and has soaked in the NZ conditions enough to start ahead of Ishant. And for what it’s worth, he can swish around the bat for a quick fire 20-30 that can make a difference in low scoring games that could be expected in NZ.

- Bumrah is not in good form and one fears if his loss of nip from the pitch is permanent. Longevity is difficult with that kind of bio-mechanically taxing action. But inspite of all this, he is a trier and you have to give him a chance to surprise you after all that he has done in the last two years. Also, the other seamer Umesh Yadav hasn’t quite set the pitch on fire during the warm up game. On the contrary, he was all over the place which can be costly in low scoring games.
 
Replace Shaw with Gill
Replace Pant with Saha
Replace Jadeja with Ashwin

Would be my choices
 
Replace Pant with Saha and Saini with Ishant, assuming he’s fit

In New Zealand, there will be edges. Don’t trust Pant with it. Remember the catches Saha took of Umesh Yadav bowling in the last test series?

Also Ishant is our most experienced bowler. I think a test match requires experienced players
 
Most likely 11 would have these changes
Saha for Pant
Umesh for Saini
Pant is out of favor of captain, hence no game for him in limited overs as well
Umesh has done well in limited test opportunities, he has won crutial sessions for Virat
Team most likely will not risk Ishant for first test as he has just recovered. Though technically he is fit to play passing required fitness test
 
Nice theoretical discussion !
Would definitely want Saha Instead of Pant as he is simply the better wicket keeper and hence a lower risk of any drops and extras.

Ashwin is a much smarter bowler and more effective in the first innings which will be critical and he is a decent bat too hence the prefer him over Jadeja. He has more variations and I believe has been more effective overseas.

On Ishant, hope he is fully recovered so maybe he sits around for the first test but for the next test he has a edge over Saini for now. IF its swinging conditions Umesh is also not too bad a choice for now and would prefer him as the 12th man .

I would have liked to see KL Rahul instead of Gill in the mix as he has the talent to be an all format player.
 
@arj

IMO .

KL Rahul is overloaded in this series

I would rest him.

Plenty of talent in batting to replace or reshuffle the pack
 
Ishant, if fully fit would be my choice ahead of Saini.
I don't think Rishab is going to be challenging Saha anytime soon. Saha has been the better keeper of the two and is pretty well organized with the bat as well.
I would however like Ashwin to play instead of Jadeja.
Jadeja as 12th man

Problems of plenty and wonderful time for Indian cricket :)
 
So you guys seem to prefer the more reliable players. Understandable.

@arj, Umesh can be a particularly bad choice in the windy Wellington conditions as his erratic line will only get accentuated further. The same reason also favours Jadeja who can bowl into the wind with his speed better than Ashwin and therefore keep the end with the wind behind available for the seamers who are more likely to take wickets here than spinners.

Am not surprised that everyone’s preferring Saha over Pant given his wretched run in limited overs. However the latter’s performance (batting plus keeping combined) has been better than Saha in the SENA countries. Saha could be all at sea batting against the swing.

@abawa, I agree that the most likely (though not my preferred) XI would have Saha and one of Umesh/Ishant.

@mpw, not sure that given that each match in this short series counts for 60 test championship points this would be a right time to rest your best batsman on current form - not that Rahul has been rested, he wasn’t selected.
 
As a wicket keeper myself, I always observe two thing; when does he get up and how good is his footwork. On both counts Saha wins.
 
As a wicket keeper myself, I always observe two thing; when does he get up and how good is his footwork. On both counts Saha wins.

No doubt. Just that in NZ, where the batting line up will be most likely under pressure, a better batsman as keeper could make sense.

@prem, Pant is not bad with his sideways movement. His weakness, like Onemanarmy pointed out, is that he doesn’t stay low long enough. And that’s more critical in the sub-continent where spinners are expected to win you games.
 
No doubt. Just that in NZ, where the batting line up will be most likely under pressure, a better batsman as keeper could make sense.
Sachin, I would go so far as to say that in my humble opinion, Saha has a better technique with the bat and a better temperament to deal with the swinging conditions of NZ and can be more dependable than Pant, who has the talent but needs to reign in just a bit to be able to stay for longer.
I no doubt would like Pant to play his natural game but just show a bit more maturity so that we can sit back and enjoy his innings for a bit longer. :)
 
Saha is leagues ahead of Pant when it comes to keeping skills which is a must in a 5-day format. Also Saha is a reasonably good batsman while Pant is quite unpredictable and has to improve his defensive techniques.

Ashwin is a more attacking bowler, but given the conditions which are favored towards pace bowlers, I would go with Jadeja as he leaks lesser runs and is a far superior batsman.

I would have preferred to see Rahul and Manish Pandey (sadly that choice is not available).
I would prefer Gill to Mayank over skills and temperament.\

On the pace department I would go with the tested trio of Umesh, Bumrah and Shami. Ishant or Umesh would be a tough choice to make.
 
Sachin, I would go so far as to say that in my humble opinion, Saha has a better technique with the bat and a better temperament to deal with the swinging conditions of NZ and can be more dependable than Pant, who has the talent but needs to reign in just a bit to be able to stay for longer.
I no doubt would like Pant to play his natural game but just show a bit more maturity so that we can sit back and enjoy his innings for a bit longer. :)

pant doesnt have a multidimensional batting ability and is quite predictable IMO

Test matches are the hard grind and these days many people dont want to do it the hard way.
 
so thats the democratically elected team which will keep maximum people happy till the match starts. :)
 
saha over pant anyday. Imo pant is a bit of a scam & right now is no better than a slogger. the only place he can be successful at this point in his career is if he opens in LO's with the field up. people talk about his 2 overseas 100s but they both were in "nothing to lose" circumstances.

plus even 1 drop in tests can be difference between winning & losing. even if 1 can guarantee a 100 from pant & 0 from saha i'd pick the latter, because a dropped chance can potentially cost 300 runs (remember virat's dropped catch of bmac last time which cost us a test win in '14).
 
Looks like Kohli wanted Pant/Ashwin and Ishant (maybe injuries has something here)

Now lets watch theory translating to reality..since we are 80/3 with Pujara and Kohli gone and Mayank holding on.
 
Ah, the second test and I’ve almost got my team! Except Saini - I’d have had him ahead of Umesh as Ishant’s like to like replacement. But Umesh isn’t a bad pick either. Finally they saw that Ashwin is past his prime with the ball and in NZ you need reinforcement down the batting line that he can’t provide either.

And yes, persisting with Prithvi Shaw was a wise and forward-looking decision too. And Shaw proves his worth for those who doubted it. The problem is, there are those who watch only international cricket and don’t have much basis to judge a new player. But those of us who’ve watched Shaw right from U-19 days and through his domestic career over the past two years know very well what a classically talented batsman he is. And an optimistic one too who can make the opposition bowlers think. Unlucky with that wicket which I doubt anyone other than a wicketkeeper in the slips could have caught. But this bloke, along with Gill and possibly Jaiswal - will be the backbone of Indian batting in years to come. No doubt there.

By the way, Pujara has survived so far. And trying to score sporadically. But the problem is, when you block even half volleys with a dead bat, you cannot get timing when you try to drive. Pujara’s record outside the subcontinent is poor barring a sole spectacular series in Australia. With the immensely talented Gill waiting in the wings, it won’t be long before the selectors give Pujara an ultimatum - ‘get going or get going’.
 
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