About Power Conditioners/Regenerators

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Hi All,

Would like the knowledgeable guru's of our forum to shed light on what are the important aspects to look for in a Power Conditioner/Regenerator.

Which are the good brands available in the market, their prices, pro's, con's etc.

Read about 1 such product here:
PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC Regenerator | Stereophile.com

Some discussions on power, current demand, voltage output, number of outlets, frequency vary control 50-60hz, price, so on would be most helpful to me & others who would like to learn more about such gears.

Await good discussions on the subject

Thanks

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I use a Zephyr power conditioner in my system from Audire.
I have a dedicated power line for my music system and this is fed to the Zephyr and later supplied to every component using good power cables.
More than anything Zephyr has protection to cut off at high and low voltages and prevents spikes. The sound signature is slightly improved.

Another option than one of my friends is using is a sine wave inverter which he charges on regular power supply and then switches it on and the mains off to power his system. This way his system runs exclusively on the power supplied by the batteries. When he is finished with listening sessions, he switches off the inverter and puts it back to charging mode.

(I envy him since he can enjoy music even when there is a power cut, he envies me since I don't have to go out of my room to switch the power supply on or off. No, we don't plan to exchange the inverter and Zephyr.)
 
I use PS Audio Power Conditioner model P300 . It is little older model ( bought new in year 2000) . It is a regenerator type . with variable output wave formats . It works very well for me .
My experience is PS Audio makes great products and prices are reasonable , very sound engineering and very well built to last .
There are few newer models P5 , P10 , Premier etc. I would trust their products.
You may Check on site of parts connexion
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for these products on offer .
 
if you are budget sensitive the APC or Liebert Online UPSs are far more VFM..else the APS Purepower is one of the best in business.
 
A quick glance at the power conditioners/regenerators mentioned by FMs have a common missing thing..........an inherent flaw which is overlooked by so called design engineers.

The absence of Active Power Factor Correction which is a must for such kind of equipments.
 
A quick glance at the power conditioners/regenerators mentioned by FMs have a common missing thing..........an inherent flaw which is overlooked by so called design engineers.

The absence of Active Power Factor Correction which is a must for such kind of equipments.

Why is Active PFC mandatory for power regenerators / conditioners for audio equipment?
 
A quick glance at the power conditioners/regenerators mentioned by FMs have a common missing thing..........an inherent flaw which is overlooked by so called design engineers.

The absence of Active Power Factor Correction which is a must for such kind of equipments.

Hi kanwar, would one need pf correction for regenerators ? I thought they maybe needs only for active conditioners.


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Why is Active PFC mandatory for power regenerators / conditioners for audio equipment?

Hi kanwar, would one need pf correction for regenerators ? I thought they maybe needs only for active conditioners.

A power regenerator produces high quality sinewave either from linear means or switching pwm stages. Both cases work as an amplifier fed with constant frequency sinewave and the output is fed to audio equipment as mains voltage source regenerated by the circuitry. But in doing so regenerators put a high peak charging current load on actual mains line voltage. This is where the problem actually arises.

The mains from wall socket is rectified directly or thru isolation transformer if present and then unregulated DC voltage is obtained with smotthing bank of capacitors. As long as the power draw is less than 100W, the harmonic content in the mains line is under acceptable levels, but when it increases the charging current required by capacitors put a lot of load at the PEAK CYCLES of mains sinewave from your wall socket. This give rise to situation called premature clipping of mains waveform. Every time the equipment such as power amplifier draw current from regenerator, the regenerator draws a high surge current from the line only at peak of waveform in order to retain the charge in capacitors. This way the output of regenerator is pure sinewave BUT THE INPUT CURRENT FROM THE MAINS SOCKET IS IN FORM OF PEAK PULSES which not only increases disturbances on the line but also puts a burden on mains current draw with associated EMI on the route of your mains cable from power inlet socket to rengenerator input. This also increases electricity bills, reduced efficiency of power utilization.


With active power factor correction you have following advantages:

1. The input current draw from wall socket will follow the same shape of voltage waveform which is sinewave in nature, thus utilizes entire cycle of voltage waveform to charge the capacitors of DC bus voltage.

2. The harmonic generation is 10X times less than what you have without PFC. Less EMI generated, less noisy environment in surroundings.

3. The regulation achieved for DC bus voltage would further stabilize the output waveform because the PFC is designed to work from 90VAC to 265VAC, so any type of fluctuation on mains line will not effect the operation. Plus universal mains plug n play capability.

4. Due to high power factor obtained the power utilization would be very high and less mains consumption hence low electricity bills. No wastage thru high current drawing surges.

5. Since the input of PFC is current fed you get inherent protection from spikes, surges, noises, fluctuations, contaminated, clipped mains line. Imagine a welding set/water pumps operating in near by shop/home and interacting with your equipment. With PFC you will be completely immune from such things.

6. European union energy commission emphasis PFC on equipments whose power draw exceeds 75W continuous. Which means in near future this would be implemented in Asia also. Having a PFC is greener option.

The regenerators without PFC no doubt gives cleaner output but contaminates the line input current and generates harmonics.
Industrial 3-phase world already made the use of PFC as mandatory norm in order to control line current contamination. Now the turn is for home public line distribution.


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Kanwar ,
I could follow half of what you said in the post . But like to know if my power conditioner PS Audio P300 has active PFC. I am not able to know . Can you tell me how to find out ?
 
Kanwar ,
I could follow half of what you said in the post . But like to know if my power conditioner PS Audio P300 has active PFC. I am not able to know . Can you tell me how to find out ?

Radni,
PS Audio P300 doesn't have PFC, nor any of its models have it either.
 
Very useful post Kanwar. I wonder why don't you start DIY sort of a venture in this kind of apparatus!

I second this!

A few weeks ago, we did a prototype 1.5KW PFC for our pro-audio amps.

The video is bit shaky because i am rookie in videography.:p

The things you should see in video are PFC output voltage 375VDC held constant, Heater load of 90 Ohms at its output, PFC coil and associated circuitry, DSO waveforms and humanoid wearing pair of shoes which was ofcourse not me.:D

Zypher 1.5KW PFC Test - YouTube
 
A few weeks ago, we did a prototype 1.5KW PFC for our pro-audio amps.

The video is bit shaky because i am rookie in videography.:p

The things you should see in video are PFC output voltage 375VDC held constant, Heater load of 90 Ohms at its output, PFC coil and associated circuitry, DSO waveforms and humanoid wearing pair of shoes which was ofcourse not me.:D

Zypher 1.5KW PFC Test - YouTube

Congrats Knawar the concept/direction really great
Unfortunately I am not a techie so not sure what a PFC voltage of 375V DC really means. is this the peak value of the sinusoid ? and that would mean an RMS of around 260V or does PF or efficiency loss also to be factored for ?

Sorry again :(
 
Hi Kanwar

Great stuff. How large is this 1.5 KW PFC? Where does one install it?

Hi Prem,


PFC is an integral module which needs to be housed in the equipment itself, one cannot install it separately.

The PFC module i have in that video measures about 210 L x 50 H X 80 W [dimensions in mm]. Which contains PFC section as well as power supply unit for amplifier in compact case.



good stuff Kanwar!

Thanxz for the complements Manav.:)

Congrats Kanwar the concept/direction really great
Unfortunately I am not a techie so not sure what a PFC voltage of 375V DC really means. is this the peak value of the sinusoid ? and that would mean an RMS of around 260V or does PF or efficiency loss also to be factored for ?

Sorry again :(

The PFC works as boost converter which means it boosts the output voltage in DC form from input 90 to 265VAC. The output 375VDC is then utilized as base power rail for carrying out further processing, such as power supply unit[down converter] in amplifier or in regenerator. PFC has efficiency of 95% normally which is quite good. Also the power factor is always greater than 0.95 and goes upto .98 which is clase to unity.
 
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