Question re inductors

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Generally my past practice has been to use 14 ga(AWG) air core inductors for my passive crossovers. I'm now wondering if I can look at 15 or 16 or even 18 gauge which are both cheaper and lighter. What are the issues to be aware of when using these thinner gauge units?

Any thoughts?

TIA
 
Higher Resistance.

Higher Power Loss in the Inductors.

In practice it wont matter.
 
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Generally my past practice has been to use 14 ga(AWG) air core inductors for my passive crossovers. I'm now wondering if I can look at 15 or 16 or even 18 gauge which are both cheaper and lighter. What are the issues to be aware of when using these thinner gauge units?

Any thoughts?

TIA

Regarding variations with wire gauges, yes there will be a difference. It depends where the inductors are in the circuit, a bit depends on the power you will have there...

When choosing an inductor, one of the primary concerns is to keep the DCR to a minimum. A high resistance will cause power loss and erroneous operation of the crossover. In some situations, a crossover circuit may be designed around an inductor with a high DCR, but for general textbook crossovers, the lower the better. Also, the resistance can affect the behavior around the cutoff frequency, and it is hard to tell how much without a simulation. It is one of the many judgement calls in speaker building to decide on an inductor.

A larger gauge wire means lower R, the amplifier has better control of the woofer cone at low frequencies, particularly near resonance. A lower resistance always translates directly to tighter bass.

In tweeter crossovers, the inductors one is dealing with are generally smaller in value. Because of the smaller values, the DCR is usually fairly low. As a result you will often see 18 or 20 gauge inductors used in mid and tweeter sections.

So, the bottom line here is; yes it can matter, probably less in the HP section than in the LP section, and a simulation is always good to do.

I am interested if anyone knows of any actual tests on this matter - i.e. built an accurate crossover and then changed an inductor out for a smaller wire (higher resistance) model. Even better, built 1x 'perfect' XO and 1x cheaper and compared the 2.

Maybe i am off the mark...
 
Thinner gauge will result in more series DCR which raises Qes due to which Qts changes. Sensitivity is affected too.
 
Well you are not going to power your speakers with a 1000W amp. With puny 100-200 W amp, even a mild loss of 2-3W is nothing. So at the end it will not matter. But no idea about subjective listening, that will depend on the type of mood swing you are going thru...... so 18SWG or 16SWG all will sound same with 100W without any significant difference.
 
Yes would like to see it will PM you my email id. I also understand from Tarun(tcpip) that gauge in India is SWG not AWG and is thicker ie 16 ga here will be about 14 AWG.
 
I also understand from Tarun(tcpip) that gauge in India is SWG not AWG and is thicker ie 16 ga here will be about 14 AWG.

Yes! You're right. This pdf link will be helpful.

But, when using online calculators for the inductors, all of them invariably make use of AWG gauges to calculate the number of turns and DCR. So, one must be careful to use the correct pairings to wind the coil.
 
So what difference in the real world do I hear, using say .56 ohm Vs .62 or.80 ohm Vs .85 ohm DCR, or even .56 Vs .85 ohms? Does it matter?

For simplicity, assume it is a 1st order filter then the woofer response will be attenuated by 2 to 3 db (approx, depending up on the series resistance). However the same can be compensated on overall basis by adding a equivalent series resistance to the tweeter. In toto a few watts will get wasted in such resistance.

Regards,

Vipin
 
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