Focal Electra 1007be

[thevortex]

Are you sure it was 1.5 lakhs for the 1007 be?

Cause when i inquired they quoted around 2 lakhs for 1007S and 2.75 for 1007BE inclusive of taxes hence my comment that the pricing is "epic fail", i don't have anything personal against pro-fx.

Also when i asked them if they can get me the focal stands for the book shelf they said they don't deal with stands.

Hmm.. I know I heard the Focal Electra with the Beryllium tweeters - not sure about the exact model number. But I remember it was less than 2 lakhs.

I have not bought anything from Profx but I find them one of the better stores in terms of making the customer feel comfortable. I have been there multiple times and listened to KEF, Polk and Focal speakers apart from evaluating the Polk subs. It was always an engaging experience.

Decadent Spectre - lacking in bass and mid bass I did not think so. But you may have different reference points. That was my first listen of the beryllium tweeters and I was very impressed. At the same time I did think there was coherence to the bass. This was a very large room that we heard in as well. Very easy to drive speaker.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

On the contrary, ive heard those speakers with Accuphase gear at insane volume levels with absolutely no distortion and they made some of the sweetest sound.

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to offer what frequency and what SPL. "Insane volume levels" is relative. I know people for whom 100db is insane, not for me though.

I am not sure I would want to try out any speaker for music with any mass market receiver regardless of whether it is their flagship or mid range there is always a compromise - what with all the video circuitry, 7 or 9 or 10 channels of power etal. I am not familiar with McCairn but anyways - what you heard is what you heard so IMO one would have to keep this in mind while auditioning this model.
Cheers
Sid

I am not suggesting that one should use a receiver for music. I am simply offering what I was able to demo it with. Some may choose to overlook all the glaring faults of a speaker by blaming it on the electronics but I disagree. Any one with a lot of audio knowledge will tell you the two greatest factors in sound are the speakers and the room. Perhaps the same speakers would sound better on different electronics, but the question is how much?

Anyhow I would suggest you take your CDs with you to demo and make the judgment for yourself. It is your money in the end.

Decadent Spectre - lacking in bass and mid bass I did not think so. But you may have different reference points. That was my first listen of the beryllium tweeters and I was very impressed. At the same time I did think there was coherence to the bass. This was a very large room that we heard in as well. Very easy to drive speaker.

I think it is all a matter of taste. Everyone tends to favor a different FR curve on speakers. To that extent I have never really come across anyone who likes an *absolutely* flat response, and by this I mean what I've seen for myself rather than someone claiming so. You might not like much in the midbass/bass region if you thought they were adequate.

 

[longshanks]

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to offer what frequency and what SPL. "Insane volume levels" is relative. I know people for whom 100db is insane, not for me though

I was not there to measure but to listen and observe the way they produced music.

Why do i have to measure anyways?

Like u said loudness could be relative since the sensitivity of hearing varies across humans, so a loud music for a person could be silent one for another.

You did say that those speakers distorted so did you measure the distortion levels?

@dinyaar
I do agree with the BE version sounds a bit forward and Ive seen this characteristic in almost all speakers with metal based and diamond based tweeters.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

I was not there to measure but to listen and observe the way they produced music.

Why do i have to measure anyways?

Like u said loudness could be relative since the sensitivity of hearing varies across humans, so a loud music for a person could be silent one for another.

You did say that those speakers distorted so did you measure the distortion levels?

Neither was I there to measure nor did I ask you to measure but simply post them if you had them.

I have heard a lot of music at various SPLs and measured them. I will be the first one to say that a given SPL can be perceived as louder or quieter based on many variables. But I am well aware of what I heard with the Focals. The sound was breaking up at higher volumes, perhaps try pushing them with their max power rating, and with music that has something going on across the board, frequency wise.

The very reason I asked for measurements is because it gives an approximate idea of its "loudness" and the frequency determines where in the FR it occurred. It is generally harder to hit louder volumes with bass, our ears are also more tolerant of bass at higher volumes than the mid/treble where our ears are sensitive and quicker to feel pain. Exactly why many people seem to prefer the bump in the response of a system below 150-100Hz, myself included.

Of course there's no accounting for tastes.

 

[reignofchaos]

Neither was I there to measure nor did I ask you to measure but simply post them if you had them.

I have heard a lot of music at various SPLs and measured them. I will be the first one to say that a given SPL can be perceived as louder or quieter based on many variables. But I am well aware of what I heard with the Focals. The sound was breaking up at higher volumes, perhaps try pushing them with their max power rating, and with music that has something going on across the board, frequency wise.

That basically means the amp you used for audition was clipping. Anyway for your tastes, focal is not the right speaker. You need an L-Acoustics stack with crown amps .

 

[sidvee]

I am not suggesting that one should use a receiver for music. I am simply offering what I was able to demo it with. Some may choose to overlook all the glaring faults of a speaker by blaming it on the electronics but I disagree. Any one with a lot of audio knowledge will tell you the two greatest factors in sound are the speakers and the room. Perhaps the same speakers would sound better on different electronics, but the question is how much?

Anyhow I would suggest you take your CDs with you to demo and make the judgment for yourself. It is your money in the end.

I am not sure on that one Decadent_Specter - I agree loudspeaker and room are important but so are amplification and sources and receivers are the worst offenders of all. But anyways it is just my humble opinion and like you mentioned I am one of those who does not have a lot of knowledge in these matters so I will be sure to audition with my music when I do. I also try to educate myself by using the good resources of this forum.
Cheers
Sid

 

[longshanks]

I have not bought anything from Profx but I find them one of the better stores in terms of making the customer feel comfortable. I have been there multiple times and listened to KEF, Polk and Focal speakers apart from evaluating the Polk subs. It was always an engaging experience.
.

I have bought different Qed cables from them but apart from that nothing more.My friend used to work there a few years ago and i used to visit the showroom often, specially whenever a new KEF or Focal speaker comes in.

I used to tell him that although they have these speakers they must match them with good amplifiers and source.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

That basically means the amp you used for audition was clipping. Anyway for your tastes, focal is not the right speaker. You need an L-Acoustics stack with crown amps .

Long time no see Chaos. Hows it going?

The amp might have been clipping, didn't sound it though, but are the focals really capable of 115db @ 10 feet with less than 10% THD @ 120Hz and below? Nope. I already have a speaker which suits my tastes perfectly driven by a QSC amp, just got em. If you are in Cal you are welcome to an audition, please bring stuff you know to get a good feel for it. Still listening to Dream Theater?

I am not sure on that one Decadent_Specter - I agree loudspeaker and room are important but so are amplification and sources and receivers are the worst offenders of all. But anyways it is just my humble opinion and like you mentioned I am one of those who does not have a lot of knowledge in these matters so I will be sure to audition with my music when I do. I also try to educate myself by using the good resources of this forum.
Cheers
Sid

It depends on whom you ask some people say amps sound the same others say they are different. I think it depends on if the amp is "coloring" the sound at some frequency, and more importantly THD ratings for the amp. I am not one to believe in fancy amps, lots of power, good THD specs etc, is a good amp IMO, if the specs are true of course. I have used some pro amps (I don't like home amps) and I can attest to that fact that amps make a difference but not quite as much as some publications would have you believe. I primarily think of the difference is in power/THD terms, and of course the ability of an amp to handle some difficult loads.

Sources do matter, much like amps but their effect on the overall sound is not as great as the other two factors, nor will everyone be able to appreciate the difference of a 192kbps MP3 versus a flac, particularly in a blind test. Simply because you would be feeding the cleanest source in the world to a low end 2.0 PC speaker doesn't mean it will sound good, its going to sound horrible (subjectively, there are those who would enjoy it). I'm not even going to touch on its SPL/THD capability. Likewise if the room has a lot of reflections and peaks and nulls its going to be messy.

This is my take on sound. I'm not the most knowledgeable on audio theory by any means but I know what I need to know and what I like and it works out fine for me. YMMV.

 

[square_wave]

@ Decadent_Spectre,

What speakers did you pick up ?

I had recently come across these speakers by tyler acoustics and remembered you. They are high sensitivity, high performance loudspeakers using some of the best pro drivers from Eminence Speakers

Pro Dynamics

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

They look nice, wonder what they sound like. Definitely seems like my kind of speaker. Didn't know about these, thanks. Although if I am ever upgrading with more coin I already have my speakers picked out

I got these -

JTR Speakers| Triple 12HT

If I don't EQ them I think people who prefer a neutral sound might enjoy them as well. At some point I hope to measure them to see what the FR looks like but I'm too lazy, lol.

 

[captrajesh]

it has been a while since we had a Hyd audiophile get together:lol:. We should plan one soon.

Hi Sidvee,

:licklips:I'm at Hyd from 23rd to 29th. Can this be planned during this period?

 

[sidvee]

Actually Captain we are planning one in the next couple of days, maybe even tomorrow, due to my impending overseas departure on 17th - and it is a small get together only. Hopefully we can plan a bigger one in July and I will keep you in the loop.
Cheers
Sid

 

[sidvee]

I called the Hyd Prof fx store today and the guy in the store did not have the 1007 though he had the 1027. He also seemed unaware of the 1007. He was very polite though and promised to call me back:thumbsup:
Cheers
Sid

 

[arj]

If I don't EQ them I think people who prefer a neutral sound might enjoy them as well...

Hey Decadent_Spectre how are you planning to EQ them ?
Also will you be driving them with ?

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

Hey Decadent_Spectre how are you planning to EQ them ?
Also will you be driving them with ?

I already have them. I drive them with a QSC RMX 5050. I don't have an external EQ currently but I am planning to get one. Currently I just use my sound cards EQ.

 

[santhosh]

They look nice, wonder what they sound like. Definitely seems like my kind of speaker. Didn't know about these, thanks. Although if I am ever upgrading with more coin I already have my speakers picked out

I got these -

JTR Speakers| Triple 12HT

If I don't EQ them I think people who prefer a neutral sound might enjoy them as well. At some point I hope to measure them to see what the FR looks like but I'm too lazy, lol.

Can we have a picture of your speakers please? Apart from the link you provided, I searched. But even the JPR site does not have them.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

Can we have a picture of your speakers please? Apart from the link you provided, I searched. But even the JPR site does not have them.

They look like the Triple 8 but with 12" drivers. If you still want pics PM me and I will see what I can do.

 

[santhosh]

They look like the Triple 8 but with 12" drivers. If you still want pics PM me and I will see what I can do.

I am curious to know what can quench your thirst for SPL. My apologies, I tried imagining a Triple 8 with 12 inch speakers and could only picturise a PA system:lol:. So, better we have a look at pics of your speaker pls.

TIA.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

I am curious to know what can quench your thirst for SPL. My apologies, I tried imagining a Triple 8 with 12 inch speakers and could only picturise a PA system:lol:. So, better we have a look at pics of your speaker pls.

TIA.

Lol. The specs are given and you saw the T8 so you have a good idea of what they look like because its really the same with 12" drivers. The speaker in its matte black finish and PA style drivers might indeed appear PAish. I will try to get some pics.

 

[grubyhalo]

The JTR's supposed to be awesome! Congrats! How did you have them ship to you and how much was the shipping? Are you getting the Captivator for the low-end?