HFV CD Exchange Program

[Sidharth Trehan]

Food for thought..
ONLY if its a MUST to take this idea ahead.

i) Create a SAMPLE CD, with a few tracks and they should NOT be complete songs, if the idea is to spread the awareness about the artist / promote the album.

ii) Lets face it, we usually will NOT buy if a cd is burnt with good quality music BUT incomplete songs shall help, listener to buy the complete album for complete songs.


Rest, I agree (in mere consent and with no authority or whatsoever) with Rahul (Pandit ji) & hv already shared the view point on the modalities of the subjected idea (without prejudice).



Best wishes
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Then, I suggest that we should all switch off our TVs whenever we have guests coming over just incase they watch a movie on our TV on our Tatasky....
also we should not give lifts to people in our car since our cars are not registered as taxis.....
And we should not borrow books as well from friends and family....

My apologies for the sarcasm but as I mentioned in my earlier post, if we all are noble and righteous, then we will buy the CDs that we like else we simply pass it on....Even in the US where these laws were made, you can go and buy things and return them if you do not like them within a given time period....
So if I burn a CD of music which I think someone would like, and if that person is law abiding, they should buy that CD.
We are simply promoting the artist and their music by spending OUR money on the CD and the shipping for no monetery profit.

I would like to know your thoughts fellow members..........

 

[panditji]

Problem solved then. People looking for new music should simply follow the Thread " Right now I am listening to " and then go to Amamzon.com to hear the samples....why waste money, time and effort to create or send CDs.....

Although I quite like the idea of sending CDs which we do not listen to and are simply taking space in our collection to someone who might like that music.....the receiver can listen to it and if they don't like it, they can forward it again till it reaches the correct person who will appreciate it....

 

[psychotropic]

burning a copy of a CD is clearly illegal. Letting your friends watch your TV is not, giving lifts to people is not, borrowing books is not. It's pretty clear.

Burning incomplete tracks is also illegal. So that idea is out of the window.

Saying that the recipient will buy it if he likes it is not a defence. That's like saying downloading torrents is legal, because if i like it I will buy it. Copyright law does not make any such distinction.

I don't think the people on this forum are really getting what this scheme is about. It's not about "giving away" your CD and getting nothing in return. With a little bit of trust and co-operation everyone who parts with a CD will get a different one to replace it. For example (in a world where people are called A, B, C, D and CDS are called 1, 2, 3, 4). The distribution group is pre-agreed and includes A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H.

A sends 1 to B
B likes it, so he keeps it and sends 2 to C
C doesn't like 2 much so he sends 2 along to D
D likes 2, so he keeps it and sends 3 to E
.......
H likes 7, so he keeps it and sends 8 to A. Yes there is a chance you'll end up with a CD you may not like, but it's the uncertainty that is part of the fun.

It cannot work with burnt CDs because you can, at best burn a copy as a personal backup but you cannot distribute it.

Now if posting stuff was not such a pain!

Then, I suggest that we should all switch off our TVs whenever we have guests coming over just incase they watch a movie on our TV on our Tatasky....
also we should not give lifts to people in our car since our cars are not registered as taxis.....
And we should not borrow books as well from friends and family....

My apologies for the sarcasm but as I mentioned in my earlier post, if we all are noble and righteous, then we will buy the CDs that we like else we simply pass it on....Even in the US where these laws were made, you can go and buy things and return them if you do not like them within a given time period....
So if I burn a CD of music which I think someone would like, and if that person is law abiding, they should buy that CD.
We are simply promoting the artist and their music by spending OUR money on the CD and the shipping for no monetery profit.

I would like to know your thoughts fellow members..........

 

[venkatcr]

Then, I suggest that we should all switch off our TVs whenever we have guests coming over just incase they watch a movie on our TV on our Tatasky.... also we should not give lifts to people in our car since our cars are not registered as taxis..... And we should not borrow books as well from friends and family....

I think there is a small issue of semantics here.

A TV show is meant for the public. If you are watching a TV show, and you have a guest, the TV company does not care as the charge is as per number of TVs connected. They are not bothered how many people are watching the same TV. At the same time, of you run a TV in an open place, and charge people for sitting in front of the TV and watching it, the TV company can object.

Similarly in cars, the law does not state that you cannot carry passengers as long as you do not charge them anything. If you ask your friend for money for taking him from one place to another, you will be running a taxi service without a proper license.

Books are similar to TV. Books can be read by any number of people. The copyright is for a copy of the book. It is incorrect to copy the book as it is incorrect to scan the book and make it available for others to read without the publisher's permission. If you give a book to a friend, there are no issues as long as you or your friend does not make a copy.

My apologies for the sarcasm but as I mentioned in my earlier post, if we all are noble and righteous, then we will buy the CDs that we like else we simply pass it on....Even in the US where these laws were made, you can go and buy things and return them if you do not like them within a given time period....

The shop that lets you sample a CD/DVD does it with permission from the copyright owner. In the US, your signing a agreement is akin to your accepting all the terms and conditions set by the parties. We might think Americans and even our relations who live in America are very unfriendly, but their issue is to be law abiding as they can be prosecuted even for what we may think are silly things. Remember the old lady who got a few million dollars as Starbucks did not tell her the (hot) coffee was hot?

So if I burn a CD of music which I think someone would like, and if that person is law abiding, they should buy that CD. We are simply promoting the artist and their music by spending OUR money on the CD and the shipping for no monetery profit.

And that is where the catch is. How would you know the other person would actually buy an original copy? How would you know he will not make a copy and keep it for himself. Though your activities are noble, you cannot control the next person's actions. When he does something incorrect, unwittingly you also become his accomplice.

Unfortunately India is the second largest consumer of downloaded, pirated and copied material. And that is why publishers and copy right owners are very worried.

Cheers

 

[Sidharth Trehan]

Thanks to make a legal correction brother pshychotropic. I sure did 'assume' that samples shall not come under legal purview.

New ideas are usually go thru chrurning and filteration so the replies are all part of it and if its worth the effort to take it ahead then it should be.


Cheers
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burning a copy of a CD is clearly illegal.
Letting your friends watch your TV is not, giving lifts to people is not, borrowing books is not. It's pretty clear.

Burning incomplete tracks is also illegal. So that idea is out of the window.

Saying that the recipient will buy it if he likes it is not a defence. That's like saying downloading torrents is legal, because if i like it I will buy it. Copyright law does not make any such distinction.

I don't think the people on this forum are really getting what this scheme is about. It's not about "giving away" your CD and getting nothing in return. With a little bit of trust and co-operation everyone who parts with a CD will get a different one to replace it. For example (in a world where people are called A, B, C, D and CDS are called 1, 2, 3, 4). The distribution group is pre-agreed and includes A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H.

A sends 1 to B
B likes it, so he keeps it and sends 2 to C
C doesn't like 2 much so he sends 2 along to D
D likes 2, so he keeps it and sends 3 to E
.......
H likes 7, so he keeps it and sends 8 to A. Yes there is a chance you'll end up with a CD you may not like, but it's the uncertainty that is part of the fun.

It cannot work with burnt CDs because you can, at best burn a copy as a personal backup but you cannot distribute it.

Now if posting stuff was not such a pain!

 

[thevortex]

I dont understand what the big deal about making this operational is, really! If one likes it, one enrolls for it. If not, then ignore it.

 

[stevieboy]

am i glad i listen to LPs

though seriously whoever is interested get the ball rolling by sending some cds along to whoever is interested! happens all the time between friends lets not complicate this more than it needs to be!

regards

 

[psychotropic]

Bang on! If you don't want to share your CDs......that's cool......this thread is for those who don't mind sharing their CDs (and also don't mind taking the effort of posting them )

I dont understand what the big deal about making this operational is, really! If one likes it, one enrolls for it. If not, then ignore it.

 

[iaudio]

I would support what Psychotropic has said. If you really want to share your Cds, just go ahead and do it. Ring em up or PM, get the address and sent it over. You are not doing it for monetary benefit. Its just like lending a book to read or exchanging. Even there you never know if the other guy is gonna scan or xerox it! Its a matter of trust, and if you trust the other person, go ahead with the Cd exchange.

As far as I am concerned, trust is not the issue, but the shipping is. I would be fine if I could hand it over directly to the other person for a listen and as Sid said I always treasure having someone over to listen to some good music!

Titus

 

[alcy]

Thank you psychotropic for clarifying the whole issue ! Now how about being part of the exchange ? Seems like Chennai guys are up for it (thevortex & srinisundar).

-Have added srinisundar to the Chennai club. So, officially you guys can go ahead and start the exchange. Please notify me once it starts so that a parallel thread can be started where the actual music could be discussed.

 

[srinisundar]

Never think about shipping cost or anything.... If we need / if we like.. thatz it.. I dont mind if it is local can hand deliver or pick from them... Itz not commercial and it is intended to exchange who like what others have and others dont like to hold:lol:

Vortex!!! I already asked him for few of his collections and will meet him soon and it will be very nice to meet every Hifi members if time permit for them I am always free

 

[heliumflight]

Alcy I'm interested in the CD xchange program.

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