Hi Shivam,
these finishes can be done in a big factory making interiors etc. may not be possible through DIY route.
laminate vs wood veneer
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Hi Shivam,
these finishes can be done in a big factory making interiors etc. may not be possible through DIY route.
GeorgeO
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Thad
I have to disagree on this.
Peeling lathes are generally used to peel commercial veneer not decorative veneer.The reason is that the thickness on commercial veneer is not as critical. For decorative it goes to 0.6mm or less, whereas for commercial(non decorative) 1 mm is ok. Second for commercial veneer once you peel it till the end there is a think shaft left which remains on the lathe and is not peelable, this doesnt happen in slicing.So peeling doesnt work for decorative..I "know" what I'm talking about-I used to be in the plywood trade in an earlier life!
George
I have to disagree on this.
Peeling lathes are generally used to peel commercial veneer not decorative veneer.The reason is that the thickness on commercial veneer is not as critical. For decorative it goes to 0.6mm or less, whereas for commercial(non decorative) 1 mm is ok. Second for commercial veneer once you peel it till the end there is a think shaft left which remains on the lathe and is not peelable, this doesnt happen in slicing.So peeling doesnt work for decorative..I "know" what I'm talking about-I used to be in the plywood trade in an earlier life!
George
Guys, if I may be permitted to add to the OT.
The grain pattern seen on veneers is due to the growth of the girth of the tree in different seasons over the years. In some trees this can clearly be seen as 'Annual Rings'
Decorativve veneer, as the name suggests, is a slice of a tree having distinctly visible grain pattern pasted on to the furniture purely for aesthetics. To get the pattern, log has to be sliced the way it is shown in the video linked by GeorgeO.
The second one linked by Thad is used for making plywood purely for functional reasons. Since wood has tendency to expand and contract, layers of wood extracted this way are bonded with alternate layers perpendicular to each other by using adhesive resin and pressed together in a heavy press to form sheets of plywood. Since the layers are perpendicular to each other, they expansion and contraction of each other gets cancelled.
As regards the thickness of the veneer, as George and someone else said, it is less than 1mm. However, in India, commercially available veneers are 4mm thick where, the layer of veneer is factory glued onto a 3mm thick commercial ply. For the record, I have samples of both.
Hope this clears the confusion.
The grain pattern seen on veneers is due to the growth of the girth of the tree in different seasons over the years. In some trees this can clearly be seen as 'Annual Rings'
Decorativve veneer, as the name suggests, is a slice of a tree having distinctly visible grain pattern pasted on to the furniture purely for aesthetics. To get the pattern, log has to be sliced the way it is shown in the video linked by GeorgeO.
The second one linked by Thad is used for making plywood purely for functional reasons. Since wood has tendency to expand and contract, layers of wood extracted this way are bonded with alternate layers perpendicular to each other by using adhesive resin and pressed together in a heavy press to form sheets of plywood. Since the layers are perpendicular to each other, they expansion and contraction of each other gets cancelled.
As regards the thickness of the veneer, as George and someone else said, it is less than 1mm. However, in India, commercially available veneers are 4mm thick where, the layer of veneer is factory glued onto a 3mm thick commercial ply. For the record, I have samples of both.
Hope this clears the confusion.
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+1 to Captain and George, the many Youtube videos on the net regarding the usage of Veneers on the speaker boxes pertain to the paper Veneer of 1mm thickness where the users use the required hot iron box to press the Veneer to the boxes carefully. This process I believe is very complex and not easy to do apart from what Amit quoted that it can be easily done at factory presses who have specialized heavy load presses to achieve this finish.
In my build I have used a 4mm Veneer which is normally known as OST (One Side Teadwood) that is what Captain stated pressing of 1mm paper veneer to the 3mm plywood. I am not sure how true that it is the Teakwood that they use for the 3mm plywood sheet. But most of the hardware shops I visited they called it as OST only and claiming that it indeed is 3mm Teakwood ply pressed to 1mm veneer.
In my build I have used a 4mm Veneer which is normally known as OST (One Side Teadwood) that is what Captain stated pressing of 1mm paper veneer to the 3mm plywood. I am not sure how true that it is the Teakwood that they use for the 3mm plywood sheet. But most of the hardware shops I visited they called it as OST only and claiming that it indeed is 3mm Teakwood ply pressed to 1mm veneer.
GeorgeO
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Yes plywood is available either as commercial and decorative, the latter comes in one side or both sides-teak,rose padauk, white cedar etc. The commercial variety uses non decorative low cost veneer, which is not as thickness critical as the much higher cost decorative timbers.
GeorgeO
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One more thought-Rajesh is right-matching is not possible by peeling-one can order matched sheets of decorative ply in advance.
It seems the actual name of the 4mm veneer available in our country is Decorative Ply(ply+veneer). So when we talk about Veneer in context of our country then it is understood as the 4mm one and when the veneer is discussed in the context of global markets then it means .5mm to 1mm paper veneer. Our local carpentars are not euipped to use the .5 or 1 mm veneer. Kelachandra Industries on Bannerghatta Road makes good veneers of 1mm thickness in Bangalore. the same is also sold through Balaji Plywoods on Infantry road. I am no way related to Kelachandra Industries, just visited them once to check interiors for my home as they specilise in modular interiors also.
manniraj;561478 I am not sure how true that it is the Teakwood that they use for the 3mm plywood sheet. But most of the hardware shops I visited they called it as OST only and claiming that it indeed is 3mm Teakwood ply pressed to 1mm veneer.[/QUOTE said:
GeorgeO
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Amit:
You have to use what is easiest to use.Because Kelachandra Industries has a veneer slicer they offer matched sheets of decorative plywood-I know them personally and have bought rosewood from them in the past. Here, kif carpenters are making enclosures it is much easier to use decorative plywood than thin veneers which are not easy to fix. I find using solid timber for baffles and moulding the edges like I showed you is the best solution.
No more OT posts from me on this thread.
George
You have to use what is easiest to use.Because Kelachandra Industries has a veneer slicer they offer matched sheets of decorative plywood-I know them personally and have bought rosewood from them in the past. Here, kif carpenters are making enclosures it is much easier to use decorative plywood than thin veneers which are not easy to fix. I find using solid timber for baffles and moulding the edges like I showed you is the best solution.
No more OT posts from me on this thread.
George
Thad E Ginathom
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George, Thank you for the plywood/veneer education. You know what you are talking about, and I readily admit that I don't 
But now I know where to come when I need advice on this subject!
But now I know where to come when I need advice on this subject!
yes shivam
all these finishes can be done at the facility i use
However you have to pay for the full sheet even if half is used
there are actaully some superb gloss laminates from AGT that we use
looks like a paint job
but once again nice things are not always cheap
The veneer is what would be .5 to 1 mm thick which is affixed onto a ordinary plywood made out of peeled log. That's how they maximise profits.
Some more OT; have you seen Italian Marble tiles that are imported to be laid in 5 Star Hotel lobbies and hi end homes? A thin sheet of genuine Italian Marble is affixed on to a tablet made of fibre glass!
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