It already did. Check out post No. 28. :lol:
I think there should be a cable (power & speaker) available to reproduce natural sound
Musical Expectations
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It already did. Check out post No. 28. :lol:
OK here goes. But honestly no offence to anyone.
I call my system, a pinnacle of reference.
How much I try, I find no difference.
It doesn't matter, one is able or unable.
Same old cr@p, these cords and cables.
Three decades, been listening to music.
After thirty systems, difference is elusive.
Then it stuck me, with such a clairvoyance
Highly subjective are, our auditory senses.
Now I am happy and I listen to 'the' music.
What floats your boat is the ultimate trick.
Surely it will bring, much needed relief.
If in public forum we respect other's belief.
Regards.
Beautiful, a poet among us :clapping:
Maybe some more can write posts in verse. It will be very interesting.
Maybe some more can write posts in verse. It will be very interesting.
You got talent! And thank you for reminding FM to respect other's belief. I got tired of people who refuses to see that and hanging on to their belief and try to shut out contradicting views. None of them offered anything tangible to support their believe other than " I trust my ears". Even in that there seems contradiction in their belief. They seemed to have forgotten the purpose of this forum.
BTW, I am so sorry that despite changing 30 systems and after 30 years you accepted defeat. That's the problem when we fail to understand sound reproduction and placing too much faith in cables, amplifiers and what not without knowing the fundamentals.
Enjoy your music. There are many defeated audiophiles like yourself and more will join you.
Warm regards.
Thad E Ginathom
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Ambio, I listen, when I do, to WCM because I like it. I also continue to stand by what I said. Remember, I am not looking for something that replicates the original performance in any way. For starters, I was almost certainly not there, so how would I know? I'm just looking for what sounds best to me, and in that respect, I am as subjective as anybody here.
And I hate film music. Hey, we've all got to be different in some ways, and tastes in music offers a tremendous range of possibilities for difference and we can be happy about that
And I hate film music. Hey, we've all got to be different in some ways, and tastes in music offers a tremendous range of possibilities for difference and we can be happy about that
Dear Thad, you misunderstood me. It is perfectly alright to be WCM lover. The ambiance itself is intoxicating. I was addressing the need to try to replicate WMC in your system when the recording itself would not have captured the actual dynamic range of the sound and therefor it would have been an exercise in futility to try to replicate WCM in your room. Each time I read reviewers trying to describe how similar the sound compared to WCM I wonder ...
Am not an audiophile. I have nothing to conquer and proclaim my victory by hoisting victorious flag in the forum. Victory which according to you have eluded so many people. I find audio stuff interesting and am enjoying my journey. Hope you understand.
Why it is alright to be a western classical music lover when you said...
...it doesn't serve the true purpose of the music. Are you misguiding Thad ?
I understand. Still after 30 years search....it must be a bitter pill to swallow and you are taking it pretty well. I salute you, my friend.
Thad is much more matured then most of us to be misguided by me. If so, he could speak for himself. I have made it clear in the post itself why I think WCM is so. Music will naturally move you physically and emotionally. Except for a very few people you don't see it with the general crowd. I am speaking as a person who lives 10 minutes drive from a world class orchestra hall and frequented them enough to judge the type of audiance and the general reaction. WMC is in decline. That's a fact. Why? Because people are not interested. Why people are not interested? Because they do not know what good music is! Is that you are saying?
But who am I to disagree if the elitists say thats the finest music, then it must be. So much for a finest music that I am trying hard to recall when was the last time I heard them played in public. Was it in the bus? Mmm..no it was at the tea stall. Wait a minute...No it was not there. Was it in the mall? What's wrong with the society? They call it music station and not a single WCM... It is such a master piece. And yet why the general population not listening to them. Isn't music is an universal language that it speaks to all?
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Thad E Ginathom
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Whoa Ambio misguided me! 
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Yes, Ambio, (or rather, no...) I know that recorded/reproduced music isn't really going to cut it. It's still worth trying though, and, as to how succesful it is in moving us, see remarks made by me and others about cheap cassetter players and low-bitrate MP3.
Western music is probably not in decline: it is just going on as it has for a long time. All serious music appeals only to a minority. How many people who bought their Number-One Hit Singles every week, forty years ago, listened to The Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa etc?
That's just life... and music.
That is not what I said. I was talking about best for a purpose, and named the heads under which I made that assertion. What is, by comparison, the frequency range and dynamic range of Hotel California (May the gods preserve me from it!). How many instruments and people in the soundstage?
I think it's time for another Tequila Sunrise! :lol:
hyeah:Yes, Ambio, (or rather, no...) I know that recorded/reproduced music isn't really going to cut it. It's still worth trying though, and, as to how succesful it is in moving us, see remarks made by me and others about cheap cassetter players and low-bitrate MP3.
Western music is probably not in decline: it is just going on as it has for a long time. All serious music appeals only to a minority. How many people who bought their Number-One Hit Singles every week, forty years ago, listened to The Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa etc?
That's just life... and music.
That is not what I said. I was talking about best for a purpose, and named the heads under which I made that assertion. What is, by comparison, the frequency range and dynamic range of Hotel California (May the gods preserve me from it!). How many instruments and people in the soundstage?
I think it's time for another Tequila Sunrise! :lol:
I do not think you are one of those. I should have used "one" instead of "you". I have nothing against WCM and I agree they are useful to used to demonstrate one's system. Please understand there are genuine classical music lovers ( you included) who understand the emotions that they convey.
What emotion is Brahms Symphony no.4 movement 2 trying to convey? And what emotion triggers when you hear Illayraja's Budapest Symphony Orchestra.
Once again, my point is not to attack you or anyone else for their musical preference. WCM was cited because the sample was grossly out specs the humble hifi system to replicate.
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You better sort out what you want to say. I am posting out of my skin which is not my character. So please be specific and clear.
Regards
1) I am not against wcm or pungi if that's your taste.
2) Yes. Everything about wcm is confusing. You sit still. Many do not know whether the music convey anger or happiness. I even described how disillusional were the audience responding to the death of JFK in the orchestra hall.
3) Yes, they are great to demo you system. You can show how low it can go. How loud it can play. How clearly it can resolve the softest and loudest passage in split seconds. Where's the confusion?
4) Yes, again!. How can one expected to replicated live concert hall music when the recording itself may not contain the actual dynamic range. And not to mention about the stereo playback. If someone were to spend 50 years trying to match live music using wmc as a reference than I am not surprised to see them disappointed. No contradiction there.
5) Yes again. Their dynamic range is beyond what most system could replicate.
6) Public means majority in this context. It is like I am expressing my opinion about same sex union. Just because there are people like that and I accept the reality of that it doesn't mean the public accepts them. Would it be clearer to you if I use the majority of the public?
7) When you quote, please quote in full. I said to Thad:-
Just like rock or Carnatic you can get involved in the music that you familiarize with. The may know the message. Do you know what emotion is Brahms Symphony no.4 movement 2 trying to convey? You don't get that confused when listening to Don't cry for me Argentina. If a music genre fails to reach the masses then it failed in its purpose.
8) Motionless and expressionless audience are the norm in wcm halls. It is possible to see a few to shed tears but they are the exception.
BTW, would you mind giving me 3 months out of your wasted 30 years and I show what you have been missing all this while.
I am criticizing the wcm for the style and musical composition. In no way, I am criticizing the sound of piano or the orchestra. The reason I actually listen to soundtracks is for their rich musical contents of the orchestra. John Barry, John Williams, Andrew Lloyd, Iilayaraja, Rahman and many many more are fine example what non wcm orchestra can give that reaches the masses.
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If according to you a particular genre of music is Pungi, confusing, where audience sits motionless and expressionless and only few shed tears and criticize it for style and composition I have nothing more to explain and discuss. If in future you get lucky and meet Iilayaraja or Rahman please do show them this thread.
Obviously my last post.
Obviously my last post.
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