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A little off topic: but Sid did you get those Vibrapod feet in India please? If so, can you please let me know where. Thanks.
 
Staxxx said:
Sid,
But I think that your last point is precisely the point most of the commentators are making. In that he has his own price bias and therefore his opinion is as subjectively tainted as anyone else's.
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Not sure I follow Staxxx. I agree that the whole thing is subjective, but for a person to compare a cheaper product to his own much more expensive product and admit that it has been matched or even beaten - shows what? A bias to the cheaper product! I always thought that people are conditioned mentally that more "expensive = better" and consequently a bias to the more expensive product. Apologize if I do not follow your line of reasoning.
Cheers,
Sid
 
Staxxx said:
A little off topic: but Sid did you get those Vibrapod feet in India please? If so, can you please let me know where. Thanks.
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Not really Staxx, I picked them up in US a few years ago. However there are a lot of these being sold on Audigon, probably will cost nothing to ship to India.
Cheers,
Sid
 
sidvee said:
Not sure I follow Staxxx. I agree that the whole thing is subjective, but for a person to compare a cheaper product to his own much more expensive product and admit that it has been matched or even beaten - shows what? A bias to the cheaper product! I always thought that people are conditioned mentally that more "expensive = better" and consequently a bias to the more expensive product. Apologize if I do not follow your line of reasoning.
Cheers,
Sid
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Sorry, missed that he owned the Scarlatti. I think perhaps my issue is with this whole idea of one beating the other. I think it is all so subjective - at least this is the conclusion I have reached after owning so many systems. Sure some of my cheap systems sounded better than some of the expensive ones. But it is hard for me, even with hearing hundreds of components, to say that one of these components beat the other. I could be too much of a liberal!

I have never heard the M2tech products, although I have read lots of great reviews. I suppose, personally, I just find it hard that putting in this USB/SPDIF converter into his chain suddenly gave him a virtual Dcs machine.
 
Staxxx said:
I have never heard the M2tech products, although I have read lots of great reviews. I suppose, personally, I just find it hard that putting in this USB/SPDIF converter into his chain suddenly gave him a virtual Dcs machine.
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That is exactly what I was referring to earlier Staxxx. There is a bias heavily in favor of the DCS (perhaps due to its cost, history, accessability, snob value etc), so from the word go one has already formed an impression on its superiority. And therein lies the relevance of this review that an established bias has been challenged. OK granted it is all subjective but then all of Audio is subjective, one has to gain some reference somewhere and then validate his/her idea personally by listening to the components, which the reviewer, unlike a lot of those commentators, has done. And his review equipment is all topnotch btw, Wilson Sasha, Dartzeel NHB-108 & of-course the DCS Scarlatti.
BTW it is not the m2tech converter that has been claimed superior to the DCS but the BADA Alpha unit.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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sidvee said:
That is exactly what I was referring to earlier Staxxx. There is a bias heavily in favor of the DCS (perhaps due to its cost, history, accessability, snob value etc), so from the word go one has already formed an impression on its superiority. And therein lies the relevance of this review that an established bias has been challenged. OK granted it is all subjective but then all of Audio is subjective, one has to gain some reference somewhere and then validate his/her idea personally by listening to the components, which the reviewer, unlike a lot of those commentators, has done.
BTW it is not the m2tech converter that has been claimed superior to the DCS but the BADA Alpha unit.
Cheers,
Sid
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Yes, I understand that....I suppose what I was trying to say that the bias has been earned for its superlative performance. Today someone states a unit that costs $1,895 "beats" it - I assume he means it outresolves it, or presents instruments with better tonality or solidity (one thing that the dcs excels at) - perhaps, I could not say, but, while I admire his diligence, I take his opinion with a pinch of salt. The Alpha unit began its design work in 2009, now several years ago in digital terms, and sure as rain there will be someone who will claim some other unit beats the BADA unit soon enough with their version of a comparison test (not to put down the great effort of this one).
But, let this rest as I do understand your point. I firmly do believe that progress is only made through challenge.
 
Fine Staxx, no issues, but having gone down this path, I am quite sure that disc transports whether they be inexpensive or a DCS are really loosing relevance.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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A little off topic: but Sid did you get those Vibrapod feet in India please? If so, can you please let me know where. Thanks.
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They are available from AVXcellence in Pune. I'd bought a set of 4 Vibrapods from them last year. Contact details: ::: AVXellence ::: Contact Us
(Phone: 020616500, 09922110599)

They don't carry the VibraCones. Also, I found their prices a bit steep. They charged 2200.00 for a set of 4, including courier charges.

I found it quite a bit cheaper to buy a set of Vibrapods and Cones from elusivedisc.com: I bought a second set with cones from ElusiveDisc, along with some LPs and CDs, so the shipping costs got adjusted well.
 
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And here is a link to the reference system on which the usb converters were tested. Not an entry level system, but that of a serious listener.
AudiogoN Forums: The European Perspective


Cheers,
Sid
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Sounds like a terrific system. Love the Dartzeels but not a big fan of the Sashas. I've tried to like Wilson (had two models) but just were not my cup of tea. Interesting that the pic shows a pair of Nagra amps I think. Also no pics of his digital system as yet. I am sure it is a very resolving system and nice to have a room like that to listen in.

By the way, Elberoth has been on the Audiogon forum for many years. Some people like his opinion and some don't. Like all audio there is no absolute, particularly at the highest levels.
 
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By the way, Elberoth has been on the Audiogon forum for many years. Some people like his opinion and some don't. Like all audio there is no absolute, particularly at the highest levels.
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BTW my post on Elberoth's system was in no way an attempt to revisit our earlier discussion Staxxx, but that is the case with every review, not only this on the 'Gon. Trust me I, have been on the 'Gon since 2001 (2 years after it started operations I believe). However there is another forum called Audio*@%^*nado where lot of the high end crowd congregates and Elberoth is held in high esteem.
Anyways Elberoth's system, for the record, as described is $60,000 retail, not counting his room (those are US prices - if you talk insane India pricing I would say close to 50 lacs) and IMHO highly resolving (you can clearly see he has done some scientific room treatment rather than seat of the pants 1st and 2nd reflection point treatment & corner bass traps), your dissatisfaction on the Wilson's apart, so I would tend to lend a lot of credence to what he has to say. Also the reason his system shows different components in the pics. is perhaps because he has not updated his system pics.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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And finally Staxxx, I would like to state that when a person like Elberoth with a highly resolving audio system in a properly acoustically treated room, with verifiable pedgiree, and quite an enthusiastic demeanor and what appears to be a lot of experience, does seem to think that a scared cow like DCS is bested, then I would pay attention. Yes a lot of people seemed to disagree, but what are their antecedents? Do they have the current system that Elberoth has, did they take the time and pain and financial burden that Elberoth faced to perform his test? Simply posting that what he has done is not valid is easy - we have a lot of armchair experts in our Hobby- people seem to know the sound of equipment just by reading about it - thanks to Google and such.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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After quite a bit of research, talking to users, dealers, reviewers, etc., I have finally pulled the trigger on the Line Magnetic LM215 Cd player sight unseen, music unheard:lol:. But that is not a transport you say? Well reason for deciding on this is two fold, one based on a respected user's feedback ( thanks, Asit), who felt that it was very analog sounding and excellent for its price (albeit when used with its internal DAC), secondly with its digital out, it can be used as a transport regardless. The options I had were the Mf cdt and Oppo 103,105 and a few others as listed earlier in the thread, and having seen the build quality of LM gear first hand in another FM's system I am quite sure at least in this department it will be way ahead of the options I have considered. Here's to hoping it will gel well with my setup.
Cheers,
Sid
 
Thanks Longshanks, your link appears to require some DIY skills. Unfortunately I am not too handy.
Cheers,Sid
 
No actually he said the completely built unit is on sale for 1100 or 1300$ approx when i mailed him last year,but anyways since you have already bought another transport i am sure it will serve you well.
 
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