paradigm monitor 11 vs klipsch Rf82

[delhite2]

Go listen to Monitor Audio, Paradigm Studio, PSB Image T6 and Focal Chorus: All are good speakers in their own regard depending on the type of sound you will like.

If you already have the tube amp carry it with you to check the pairing also.

Hey nice Ht setup you got there!
Have you got any acoustic treatment done to that room?
are those plywoods i see on the walls?
what is on the ceiling? gypsum boards?

excuse me sanjay123

 

[sanjay123]

I dont yet have any setup. I will borrow tube/SS amp from my friend for audition purpose.

Hey nice Ht setup you got there!
Have you got any acoustic treatment done to that room?
are those plywoods i see on the walls?
what is on the ceiling? gypsum boards?

excuse me sanjay123

 

[longshanks]

Out of the two you mentioned the monitor 11 is a overall better choice and allrounder, klipsch Rf82 is good if you are going to listen to lot of vocals and acoustic music or soft rock because i found them to be bright and to an extent irritating when i listended to other genres of music. paradigm speakers are relatively smoother , specially the monitor floor standers, i don't like their studio series that much though.

Another choice will be the starting model JM Labs Chrous floor stander, when paired with a high current low wattage amp, this will provide you with warm and lush and satisfying music, although the price will be quite higher.

You may also want to check ELAC Ambition series, i found them to be different sounding than the other speakers above and it is worth an audition.

These speakers may sound different then what i have described as speakers and music is something quite personal and each speakers sound different to each individual.

Best of luck.

 

[anm]

can u give some examples of high current low wattage amps? Apart from marketing BS, how can one know which is a high current amp, and is there a measurement (again spec, so chances of marketing BS)?

 

[alphacentury100]

It is all about perception isn't it? No not entirely.
A lot also depends on the upstream equipment used.
It would be good to understand the physics of horn which is nothing but a mechanical amplifier so it will amplify and project any input given to it through the Titanium Tweeter.
P.W. Klipsch once said The mid-range is where we live", so to round it off klipsch is not harsh one bit, they play the mids and highs without any distortions and yes now go and listen to all the speakers you've shortlisted.

Like you said, it's not entirely about perception. I do agree with that.
Lot of people feel klipsche RF speakers to be a bit brighter. You can even verify this in lot of AV discussion forums. Many reviews and owners have stated that the Klipsche RF speakers have more emphasis towards the hi-mid and high frequency range. (I don't think one has to understand the physics of the horn tweeters to realize how they sound).If klipsche rf speakers are not bright sounding, then why is there somuch discussion and debates going on in many forums including our forum, about this topic? I didn't mean to say they are bad, but they are different from speakers like monitor audio rx series speakers, which are bit warmer. Even the previous generation monitor audio's rs series speakers were considered a bit bright by many and so, the monitor audio company had corrected it in the current rx series speakers.
When I auditioned both RS and RX series speakers from monitor audio, the dealer said that most people who come for auditioning prefer the brighter RS series speakers after they listen to both the series . Even the dealer preferred the RS series, not to mention my friend who also preferred the rs series whilst I preferred the RX. This is why I said in my previous post that most Indians prefer bright sound. May be I like warm sound to brighter sound and I do love BASS.

There are audiences for both bright and warm sounding floor stands. So I believe that it is always good to audition the speaker before buying them.
But if the dealer has some knowledge about speakers and sound equipments, then it will be better. When I went to the Onkyo dealer to audition Elac and Energy speakers with Onkyo receivers, the demonstrator who didn't even know how to set the sub-woofer crossover kept on raising the crossover frequency to its max hoping that higher is better. The people working in ProFx said that AAC is the best audio format next to wave, and when I told him about FLAC format being superior to AAC, he only laughed at me. I can keep on going with such examples, which shows the sellers knowledge, but dont want to make my post any bigger. This is why we can't always come to a decision only by listening in a showroom, as most of the dealers in India know very little about audio.

 

[delhite2]

Like you said, it's not entirely about perception. I do agree with that.
Lot of people feel klipsche RF speakers to be a bit brighter. You can even verify this in lot of AV discussion forums. Many reviews and owners have stated that the Klipsche RF speakers have more emphasis towards the hi-mid and high frequency range. (I don't think one has to understand the physics of the horn tweeters to realize how they sound).If klipsche rf speakers are not bright sounding, then why is there somuch discussion and debates going on in many forums including our forum, about this topic? I didn't mean to say they are bad, but they are different from speakers like monitor audio rx series speakers, which are bit warmer. Even the previous generation monitor audio's rs series speakers were considered a bit bright by many and so, the monitor audio company had corrected it in the current rx series speakers.
When I auditioned both RS and RX series speakers from monitor audio, the dealer said that most people who come for auditioning prefer the brighter RS series speakers after they listen to both the series . Even the dealer preferred the RS series, not to mention my friend who also preferred the rs series whilst I preferred the RX. This is why I said in my previous post that most Indians prefer bright sound. May be I like warm sound to brighter sound and I do love BASS.

There are audiences for both bright and warm sounding floor stands. So I believe that it is always good to audition the speaker before buying them.
But if the dealer has some knowledge about speakers and sound equipments, then it will be better. When I went to the Onkyo dealer to audition Elac and Energy speakers with Onkyo receivers, the demonstrator who didn't even know how to set the sub-woofer crossover kept on raising the crossover frequency to its max hoping that higher is better. The people working in ProFx said that AAC is the best audio format next to wave, and when I told him about FLAC format being superior to AAC, he only laughed at me. I can keep on going with such examples, which shows the sellers knowledge, but dont want to make my post any bigger. This is why we can't always come to a decision only by listening in a showroom, as most of the dealers in India know very little about audio.

I never said one bit about them not being bright, all i said was that they are not fatiguing.
It has its own sound some like it and some don't because they are used to hearing rolled of highs.
and please dear it is Klipsch and not 'Klipsche'.
cheers.

 

[sanjay123]

discussion in many AV forum also suggests that Klipsch RF series when combined with low power tube SET amplifier makes a killer combination. because RF series speakers have high sensitivity level. they can very well be used low power tube SET. all the brightness of speakers turns into sweet sound.

I never said one bit about them not being bright, all i said was that they are not fatiguing.
It has its own sound some like it and some don't because they are used to hearing rolled of highs.
and please dear it is Klipsch and not 'Klipsche'.
cheers.

 

[longshanks]

can u give some examples of high current low wattage amps? Apart from marketing BS,

Pass labs, older mark Levinson, older krell, musical fidelity, bryston are a few that pops in my mind now.

how can one know which is a high current amp, and is there a measurement (again spec, so chances of marketing BS)?

The measurement called peak-peak current in amps, some manufacturers openly mention this(specially if they produce high current), some don't(specially they are not high current).

High current amps are really helpful while running low impedance speakers, also speakers generally don't have consistent impedance(across the frequency range) and a high current amplifier can handle this inconsistency much better than a low current ones.

When this inconsistency is handled better you get much better sound and this can me easily noticed.

 

[alphacentury100]

discussion in many AV forum also suggests that Klipsch RF series when combined with low power tube SET amplifier makes a killer combination. because RF series speakers have high sensitivity level. they can very well be used low power tube SET. all the brightness of speakers turns into sweet sound.

sanjay,

I am not trying to convince you here that one brand is better than another. I am just sharing my experience hoping that it might be useful to you. It is just that I didn't like the way klipsch sounded and I did feel it to be bright and the hi frequencies did hurt my ears and that's how I felt. I am not an audiophile, so I may not be correct. If you like the sound of klipsch, then they will serve you great. Like I said in my previous posts, it all depends on what you like.

 

[delhite2]

alphacentury100
you are actually very good at explaining things and making grand assumptions, nevertheless you have actually revealed the state of mind you are in.
may god help you.

delhite2.

 

[alphacentury100]

alphacentury100
you are actually very good at explaining things and making grand assumptions, nevertheless you have actually revealed the state of mind you are in.
may god help you.

delhite2.

OH, acting too generous, are we? but I don't think I need any ones recommendation to get the help of the god.
Hope some one got revealed of his true identity and he doesn't like it atall. MAY GOD HELP UUUUUUU WITH YOUR KLIPSCHe SALES!