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[corElement]

Thank you Shaq blogs,

I auditioned bookshelfs (but without subwoofer ) a lot and none of them I found good for me. I auditioned Dali Ikon6 but it was paired with a very bad amplifier denon and sounded like crap. Only vocals were very high but very open. No bass response.

I know people do a lot of praise of Dali and I also would like to listen to it again.

Thank you

Don't worry about it, I dont think you will like Dali ikon even if it were paired with a better amp. In general it's sound signature is not the type you've described you like in past threads.

BTW have you heard any of the Jamo concert speakers?

 

[jaudere]

ShaQ. blogs, you are wrong there about impedance. Lower the impedance, higher the wattage. An amp pushing 80w into 8ohm will push 120w or above into 4 ohm (but in the process, will get hotter)

 

[varma_vikas]

Any particular reason?

Actually I do not wish to go for Proprietry products because in future If I wish to change either amp or speaker, I think would not be possible for me. U can take the current example I have woodstock and I just need good speakers and my amp will work with allmost all the speakers except very high end ( costing 3 l-4l and above).

So in short this is all about versatality. This is the reason only I am not planning to go for Naim audio as well because that too is very proprietry with it's own cables and gears.

Once anybody go for the naim gear he would have to go for their CDP, psu, cables, etc etc, then only it will show what is otherwise it is waste.

 

[varma_vikas]

ShaQ. blogs, you are wrong there about impedance. Lower the impedance, higher the wattage. An amp pushing 80w into 8ohm will push 120w or above into 4 ohm (but in the process, will get hotter)

Yes Jaudere, u r absolutely correct, may be he wrote by mistake.

 

[varma_vikas]

Don't worry about it, I dont think you will like Dali ikon even if it were paired with a better amp. In general it's sound signature is not the type you've described you like in past threads.

BTW have you heard any of the Jamo concert speakers?

No, I have never heard Jamo , Klipsch. Once I heard KEF hometheatre because it eas there in my office.

 

[varma_vikas]

@ Cor ......... :lol::lol::lol: ......... hey, cool it.
Most people, me included (a branded MCP & self-endorsed egoist) like to listen to, what we want to listen! Thats a belief most always have. Even I was like that during my first HiFi purchase ... learnt over time. Our role here is to guide/provide ideas and suggestions, and not shove anything down the other's throat .... no?

Avidyarthi,

Thank you, When can I see ATL speakers? Could u shoe me pics for the time being?

Thank you

 

[varma_vikas]

I tell you why I am leaning towards Paradigm because when we had paired with sub, clarity and detail were already there and bass in low end came up and vocals after adding the sub had become airy. I am curious to listen to studio 60 and wish to see how much difference it can create?

I found paradigm very clean specially for music as they took lot of detail from the music,it was more than PSB even.

Secondly it will not break my bank.

It will not be a tough load for my amp as they are 8ohm.


Yes, one more thing I wish to ask. Are 4 ohm speakers better than 8 ohm in any sense? If they are, then it would be wise to think about them.

One more thing that I will not be able to audition more speakersexcept 1 or 2 as most of all say to narrow down the choices , not to expand and stick to what I liked the most otherwise it will become highly confusing( which has already started happening:lol

Lakozy told me that they can arrange demo of studio60 but I would have to go to Bombay which is not possible for me for the time being.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

ShaQ. blogs, you are wrong there about impedance. Lower the impedance, higher the wattage. An amp pushing 80w into 8ohm will push 120w or above into 4 ohm (but in the process, will get hotter)

yup...i got that confused.
I was thinking in this direction and wrote that in haste, Lower the impedance quicker the amp drains out

 

[jaudere]

@Vikas, 4 ohm or 8 ohm does not make difference to sound quality. However it does make difference to the amp. 8 ohm speaker is easier to drive for amp because the need of the current is less. one thing is very Important: a speaker of 8 ohm nominal impedance may dip down to 4 ohm in certain frequencies. An 8 ohm nominal impedance speaker dipping down to say 3 ohms is more difficult to drive than a 4 ohm speaker dipping down to 3. So consider a speaker which does not have big difference between nominal impedance and minimal impedance. But again , all this is very important if you are going to drive your amp near the RMS rated power (which is less likely in case of your woodstock. If your room size is anywhere less than 200 sq feet, you will hardly use 30-40 watts, that too rarely for transient peaks)

 

[varma_vikas]

@Vikas, 4 ohm or 8 ohm does not make difference to sound quality. However it does make difference to the amp. 8 ohm speaker is easier to drive for amp because the need of the current is less. one thing is very Important: a speaker of 8 ohm nominal impedance may dip down to 4 ohm in certain frequencies. An 8 ohm nominal impedance speaker dipping down to say 3 ohms is more difficult to drive than a 4 ohm speaker dipping down to 3. So consider a speaker which does not have big difference between nominal impedance and minimal impedance. But again , all this is very important if you are going to drive your amp near the RMS rated power (which is less likely in case of your woodstock. If your room size is anywhere less than 200 sq feet, you will hardly use 30-40 watts, that too rarely for transient peaks)

Hi Judere,

Thanks a lot, this is what I wanted to know that is there some kind of benefit or not? So I feel that if in some sound or I say frequency(which needs to go very down), speaker needs to go down to 3 or 2 ohm , in this case a 4ohm speaker can easily dip and produce that frequency with lot much precision? Did I understand correct?

I have not bben able to understand by this , that whar u r trying to say? Could u ls elaboratebelow mentioned :

But again , all this is very important if you are going to drive your amp near the RMS rated power (which is less likely in case of your woodstock. If your room size is anywhere less than 200 sq feet, you will hardly use 30-40 watts, that too rarely for transient peaks)

 

[jaudere]

Let me try to put it in simple words. 1) sound quality does not depend on impedance. 2)8 ohm speakers are easier to drive for the amp than 4 ohm. 3) your woodstock is rated at 80w at 8 ohm or 140w at 4 ohm. In real world, if your listening room is not a large hall, you will actually never use more than 20-30 watt of power. So you need not worry about the impedance of speakers as you have a powerful amp. If your amp was like 12watt at 8 ohm/20watt @ 4ohm (like a Topping), I would have said, stick to 8 ohm speakers. Its like your amp is mercedes going at 100km/hr and Topping is Maruti 800 going at 100km/hr. Although the speed is same , th ease with whic a Merc will go is not comparable to 800. Now you put a steep climb on the way. Merc will still easily maintain 100km/hr but Maruti 800 will struggle. Steep slope is like 4 ohm speaker for amp.

 

[varma_vikas]

Let me try to put it in simple words. 1) sound quality does not depend on impedance. 2)8 ohm speakers are easier to drive for the amp than 4 ohm. 3) your woodstock is rated at 80w at 8 ohm or 140w at 4 ohm. In real world, if your listening room is not a large hall, you will actually never use more than 20-30 watt of power. So you need not worry about the impedance of speakers as you have a powerful amp. If your amp was like 12watt at 8 ohm/20watt @ 4ohm (like a Topping), I would have said, stick to 8 ohm speakers. Its like your amp is mercedes going at 100km/hr and Topping is Maruti 800 going at 100km/hr. Although the speed is same , th ease with whic a Merc will go is not comparable to 800. Now you put a steep climb on the way. Merc will still easily maintain 100km/hr but Maruti 800 will struggle. Steep slope is like 4 ohm speaker for amp.

Ohhhhhhhh, Thanks Jaudre,

Thank you for washing off so much confusion.So , now I am free to select any speaker.Hmmmmm.

Jaudere, do u have any experience with Paradigm speakers. I am very curious to listen to Paradigm studio60. Just wish to see that how it compares PSB Synchrony two.

 

[pupupuchi28]

@ Jaudere: Nice explanation!

 

[jaudere]

The only Paradigm that I ever heard was Studio 10 with Marantz pm6003 and I was immedialtely in love with those speakers. What an experience. On paper, it goes down only upto 62hz but I never felt any weak bass as the overall sound was too pleasing. price was 40k. Same (superb) experience with Nad paired with Psb SYNCHRONY 2. It had more thump though and would give far more thump to pocket at 1.8 lacs. If I had money, then by all means I would get PSB Synchrony with NAD. I feel that given your liking for bass and budget, Paradigm studio 20 with a good sub will be good choice but keep in mind that synchronising sub with spakers for music (where recording is in 2 channel and not 2.1 channel) is difficult. i tried it but could not do it. So I finally bought 31 band Equalizers and pushed 40 and 50hz sliders up. So I get a very good thump that I was looking for.