Studio Monitors or Floor-Standers

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Hello Audiophiles

I'm getting a very good deal for these studio monitors called 4312 E by JBL. Has anyone heard these speakers? Any valuable reviews?
I know these are hard to come by in India and its a once in a life time opportunity and all.

However, how are these compared to some entry level to a level above entry level floor-standers? Say, something like the Tannoy Mercury V5s for example.

I plan on using an integrated stereo amp like the a-s500 from Yamaha as my setup is going to be for music listening only. The kind of music in going to be all sorts of electronica. The quality of my music is NOT going to be audiophile, not even CDs for that matter. I can manage some FLACs, occasional WAV files but mostly 320 kbps cbr stetro MP3s.

I would most probably be adding a sub-woofer along with either of the two options. I need a musical sub, something that can produce tight, fast agile bass as my music preference already has a lot of bass to it. Need your inputs for the same.

Apologies for asking so many questions... I hope to get some help soon..
 
1stly, what is the good deal price of the JBL's???
2ndly, your source is going to be weak in relation to these speakers, which will be a big -ve & so in that case, save your money & go for other/cheaper speakers.

Sorry to be blunt but you would be better off using entry level speakers than wasting money of the 4312E's & not using them to their capabilities.

:)
 
+1 to that. A500 and JBL 4312E for 320 kbps, really doesn't worth it.

It is amazing people can spend and buy multi lacs worth equipment but not few hundred worth CDs. Do we forget that the very reason of the existence of these equipment is the content itself and we tend to ignore that?

Even going by the specs, I don't think Yamaha A-S500 is not really have enough juice to drive JBL 4312E with 12" woofer. Also to get the sound correct one have to keep the speaker in horizontal position not in traditional vertical position.
 
studio monitors are good. you will get flat frequency response throughout the frequency range.
BTW i am using YAMAHA NS1000 Studio monitors driven my sansui AU717.excellent combo.but you need a serious amp to drive the jbls.
 
Studio monitors are meant for nearfield listening; floor standers are designed to fill a room. That is not to say that monitors can't fill a room: many can.

Studio monitors are designed to be transparent, to present the music as it is, warts and all. The effects if MP3 compression, for instance, might well be worse, and more fatiguing, heard through studio monitors.

However, I wouldn't be so quick to write off the music that you have. There is no reason not to get good listening from FLAC, WAV and even 320k MP3. Many of us have far worse (eg sourced from YouTube) in our collections, even though, given a choice, we would like to have better.

A good FLAC or WAV should be as good as its source. Often, though, the source is unknown as is the digitisation history. A good 320K MP3 should be hardly distinguishable, although all of us prefer lossless by principle. You don't mention the source: that could make much more difference than the file type.
 
+1 to that. A500 and JBL 4312E for 320 kbps, really doesn't worth it.

It is amazing people can spend and buy multi lacs worth equipment but not few hundred worth CDs. Do we forget that the very reason of the existence of these equipment is the content itself and we tend to ignore that?

Even going by the specs, I don't think Yamaha A-S500 is not really have enough juice to drive JBL 4312E with 12" woofer. Also to get the sound correct one have to keep the speaker in horizontal position not in traditional vertical position.

My dear friend, I have failed in my quest to find audio cd's for my taste in music. I have been to a lot of local and international level audio stores around where I live but only came back empty handed. The only source for HQ music for my listening preference is this website called ektoplazm.com which mainly promotes upcoming artists and has music in mp3 320, flac or WAV.

Now this website also has a very limited music which I really really like.

More importantly, I believe that once I get the right equipment with which I can actually differentiate in the quality of a crappy mp3 and an audio cd, I'd start my quest again.
 
1stly, what is the good deal price of the JBL's???
2ndly, your source is going to be weak in relation to these speakers, which will be a big -ve & so in that case, save your money & go for other/cheaper speakers.

Sorry to be blunt but you would be better off using entry level speakers than wasting money of the 4312E's & not using them to their capabilities.

:)

Hey Denon,

Blunt but true opinion is always welcome. The good price is 60K. Is it all that good after all?
 
Hey Denon,

Blunt but true opinion is always welcome. The good price is 60K. Is it all that good after all?

Glad you appreciate an honest opinion :)

Now, there was a thread on these JBL's a while back, which had couple of people quoting varying prices for them.

Have a look at this thread
http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/24821-has-anybody-heard-jbl-4312-e-speakers.html

This thread was a good year odd old & so by that yardstick & the fact that someone said in that very thread that this model has been replaced by another one, I think it would be safe to assume that you could get them for a lower price than what is being offered to you. Heck, if you really are gung ho for getting them, you may counter offer your price & see if the seller gives in :p

Yes, these speakers seem to be a good purchase, but having said that you may also have to upgrade your amplification & source to get them to really shine.

BTW, have you heard them yet? If not then is it possible to get a demo of them? Suggest you hear them playing your music & based on that, you take a call.

Keep the above in mind, prior to making a decision.
 
No Denom, not auditioned the JBLs as of now. Hopefully, I'd be able to hear them today or tomorrow.

I auditioned two set of speakers yesterday though:-

1. ELAC FS 58.2 + Onkyo NR 414

2. Energy CS-70 + Denon PMA 520

The songs auditioned were through aux cable connected to my macbook (don't ban me from the forum for this!), in WAV quality:-

Tron - Resonant Pulse (Jirah Mix)
Time 2 Live - Xingu
Psysex - LSDance (Loud Remix)
Loud - Subinya (Ace Ventura Remix)
Globular - From Mind, There Spills Forth Light
Oxidaksi - Modular Dream
B The Toxic Face - Mayita Power

Initially I heard the ELACs paired to the onkyo AVR. I think they are really good speakers which should have been paired to a better amp. However, even in their present state they really impressed me. The bass was good, just the way I like it. With beats going up to 17-180 bpm, there was no noticeable lag in bass. It was tight, punchy, in-your-face.

Then I heard the Energy CS-70 with the denon amp. Man, I was impressed even more! I felt that the sound was so welcoming, that I could go on and on listening to it all day long. The bass, the mids, the highs, they all seemed to be perfect for my not so golden ears.

While listening to the ELACs again, I felt something major was missing. Maybe because of inadequate amplification.

The only downside to the Energy CS-70 was its price tag. The guy quoted a ridiculous 90K for the pair. 52K for the ELACs.

So thats my review on yesterday's audition in not so many technical complex words!

I'll try and find a better deal on the Energy's. Hope to get some help from you guys.
 
Studio monitors are meant for nearfield listening; floor standers are designed to fill a room. That is not to say that monitors can't fill a room: many can.

Hey Thad, I see that studio monitors use similar kind of electrodynamic drivers that floor standers also use, so do you have any technical explanation to support the above statement? Which part or component of a studio loudspeaker monitor forces it to radiate sound properly only in the nearfield and not in the farfield? :) Could you please explain?
 
No, because I am not a speaker technical guy, but the clue is in the words "studio monitor." If you google that and "nearfield" you should get better information than I can half remember. Imagine a guy sitting at a mixing desk with a pair of speakers at the back of the desk or the nearby wall. That's what studio monitor is about: I guess it is about designing the sweet spot at the point where that chair would be; a kind of audio focussing.
It is also why such speakers are voiced to be neutral. they do not, for instance, have added warmth, or other flavour which might be required in the home market.

But... no hard and fast rule here. No doubt many will fill a room, and some would be highly desirable.

If you just want small speakers, then the terms are bookshelf speakers, or stand-mounting speakers. Sadly, the term "Bookshelf" is misleading, as many, if not most, of them are not designed to be used, err, on a bookshelf! Or up against a wall.
 
I auditioned monitor audio speakers BX 6 with a nad and marantz amp today in the evening.

I found the nad and monitor combo to be a little too boomy for my taste. The monitors sounded better with Marantz though.

The accuracy speed and agility of the bass which was present in the Energy and denon combo was definitely missing.

I'm going to check out some more stuff tomorrow.
I've heard klipsch makes some fine speakers for my music type. Any ideas of a klipsch dealer in or around delhi?
 
Great.

The use of the word "monitor" in the manufacturer's name or model does not necessarily mean studio monitor or pro audio. It's just one of those words in the audio marketing word pool. This is not to suggest that there is anything at all wrong with Monitor Audio. Every one has a right to their own choice of name, and company has been sporting theirs for around forty years.
 
No, because I am not a speaker technical guy, but the clue is in the words "studio monitor." If you google that and "nearfield" you should get better information than I can half remember. Imagine a guy sitting at a mixing desk with a pair of speakers at the back of the desk or the nearby wall. That's what studio monitor is about: I guess it is about designing the sweet spot at the point where that chair would be; a kind of audio focussing.
It is also why such speakers are voiced to be neutral. they do not, for instance, have added warmth, or other flavour which might be required in the home market.

But... no hard and fast rule here. No doubt many will fill a room, and some would be highly desirable.

Hi Thad, this has been a widespread misconception in the consumer audio scene about some studio monitors being designed ONLY/MAINLY for close proximity listening, and are unable to fill the room with sound as well as floor standers or hifi speakers. The drivers / parts / components / amps / crossovers etc of almost all studio monitors cannot have or cause any limiting in dispersion as compared to floor standers as they are pretty similar generally speaking

I had been working for a few years previously as a recording engineer in AR Rahman's personal studio in the past and for a few years previously in Real Image who were the former Indian agents of DTS. We have worked on almost every brand of proper studio monitor during our music productions locally and internationally and rarely come across any studio monitor that was purpose designed for close proximity ONLY. Unless you are talking about weird brands like the Auratones that strangely call themselves studio monitors

Just to clarify, the term nearfield is a physics term to describe the uneven pressure field near the cone driver. Since the pressure fluctuates wildly in a complicated manner in the Near Field, it is forbidden to listen to any speaker in the Near Field as described below

The near field of a speaker is the region close to a speaker cone where the sound pressure and acoustic particle velocity are not in phase. In this region the sound field does not decrease by 6 dB each time the distance from the source is increased (as it does in the far field). The near field is limited to a distance from the source equal to about 4 times the radius of the piston (speaker cone). So the smaller the speaker driver, the shorter the Near Field and likewise the larger the speaker driver, the longer the Near Field. Since the pressure fluctuates wildly in a complicated manner in the Near Field, it is forbidden to listen to any speaker in the Near Field.

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The far field of a source begins where the near field ends and extends to infinity. Note that the transition from near to far field is gradual in the transition region. In the far field, the direct field radiated by most speakers will decay at the rate of 6 dB each time the distance from the source is doubled. It is always important to listen to a speaker well into the Far Field.
The above is only explained to clarify that the terms Near Field & Far Field are physics terms and not marketing terms invented by salesmen to classify small, medium or large speaker monitors. Since small speakers have small drivers thus a very short Near Field, it is possible to listen to them in the far field which is actually pretty close to the speaker. Whilst a speaker with an 18 inch driver will have a Near Field of almost 3 feet. The closest you can get to it is atleast more than 4 or 5 feet away to be in the Far Field.

Small studio monitors are called nearfields because their NEARFIELD (uneven pressure field) is very short due to their small cone driver diameter, so you CAN (not compulsory should) listen to them pretty close and still be out of their uneven pressure field. But if you listen to them a few meters away too, they should sound perfectly fine as well

If you listen to large cone drivers by sitting close to them, u will end up right in their NEARFIELD (uneven pressure field) and that will be an uncomfortable experience :)

Imagine a guy sitting at a mixing desk with a pair of speakers at the back of the desk or the nearby wall. That's what studio monitor is about: I guess it is about designing the sweet spot at the point where that chair would be; a kind of audio focussing.

Below is a nice explanation for the purpose of small nearfield studio loudspeaker monitors. Its more for working comfort (low volume listening) during post production and a free field reference, rather than any other purpose. Main monitors usually dont sit in a free field but out mounted against a wall or flush mounted in a wall which is a half space. So the engineer can check his mix on both speaker systems mounted in different acoustic enviornments

A nearfield loudspeaker monitor is small enough to sit in close proximity to the recording/mix/mastering engineer, so that most of its sound travels directly to the listener, rather than reflecting off walls and ceilings (and thus picking up coloration and reverberation from the room). Since the nearfield loudspeaker monitor is located close to the listener, this direct sound plays at relatively low SPL and thus prevents a strong reverberant field from building up in the room. But in normal recording studios, nearfield loudspeaker monitors unfortunately end up very close to the mixing console, thus resulting in a lot of sound reflections emanating off the mixing console and interfering with the direct sound, causing huge compromises in the quality of the sound that reaches the listener. Since the sound of a nearfield loudspeaker monitor is largely independent of the room, it does provide a respectable easy monitoring solution in studio control rooms that may not be very well designed acoustically.

A farfield loudspeaker monitor is large enough to put out higher SPL to the recording/mix/mastering engineer, when placed further away from the mixing console to reduce reflections emanating off the mixing console. However since the higher SPL from a farfield monitor reflects more intensely off walls and ceilings (and thus picking up coloration and reverberation from the room), the room has to be acoustically designed as close to perfection as possible so that the farfield monitors are able to accurately deliver the whole truth about the audio signal, which is being processed. Farfield loudspeaker monitors provide a brilliant monitoring solution in well designed studio control rooms and can put out stunning accurate reproduction when properly calibrated to the room they are installed in.

It is also why such speakers are voiced to be neutral. they do not, for instance, have added warmth, or other flavour which might be required in the home market.

Proper studio monitors as devices are more like precision instruments that are usually designed to deliver highly accurate, predictable, mesurable and standardised reproduction. This can be achieved only with brilliant engineering capabilities, and quite impossible for them to lack any feature or performance consumer loudspeakers offer. Voicing and adding warmth and flavor is purely marketing nonsense mainly used as excuses in the consumer loudspeaker industry by companies who cant achieve the above for various reasons
 
Farfield loudspeaker monitors provide a brilliant monitoring solution in well designed studio control rooms and can put out stunning accurate reproduction when properly calibrated to the room they are installed in.
Proper studio monitors as devices are more like precision instruments that are usually designed to deliver highly accurate, predictable, mesurable and standardised reproduction. This can be achieved only with brilliant engineering capabilities, and quite impossible for them to lack any feature or performance consumer loudspeakers offer.
Just curious. Are there any classic monitors with good low end for home use ?
Regards.
 
Hey Kartik,

That was an awesome explanation.
I'm not sure if i'll be going for the monitors though because of uncertainty of an audition.

I auditioned this amazing book-shelf speaker set today. Monitor Audio GX 50! It was paired with NAD C-326 and REL Acoustics T-zero subwoofer.

I've almost made up my mind on this combo. This is THE kind of sound I was looking for. Fast, agile, tight! The high frequency response is amazing, the sounds in psytrance sound perfect! The midbass is crisp and accurate.

The REL subwoofer blends absolutely well with the speakers. The bass is not at all boomy.

All in all, I'd very happy with this setup and would finalize the same tomorrow or day-after.

I had one query though, is it possible to connect the NAD amplifier though Apple airport express and stream my music directly via wi-fi?
 
Kartik, yes, an awesome explanation indeed, along with the quotes from Denom and as3ix.

What I meant in my comment about sound flavour is that the comparatively flat and neutral flavour of speakers intended for studio use is not prefered by many domestic buyers, who like to hear warm tones, or enhanced mids etc. Whilst I had always thought that such "flavours" were actually designed for the market, leading to people aligning themselves with specific makes whose house sound suits them, I can easily accept that such things are because of an engineering deficiency or cost limitation. It wouldn't surprise me if accurate sound is not difficult and expensive.

Just one question for clarification. From the components that you mention, I had not thought that any could "focus" the sound, but is this also not at all true of the box?

shaman, I'm sorry if I misled you in any way --- and for slightly derailing the thread.
 
Just curious. Are there any classic monitors with good low end for home use ?
Regards.

Here is a list of good studio loudspeaker monitors

Acoustic Energy British Hi-Fi Loudspeaker Manufacturer : Acoustic Energy
Adam ADAM Audio GmbH
Alesis Monitors
ATC ATC Loudspeakers. ATC Monitors. ATC SCM. ATC Speakers. Manufacturers of speakers, monitors, drive units and amplifiers.
AVI http://www.avihifi.co.uk/adm9.html
Bang & Olufsen Loudspeakers - Bang & Olufsen
Barefoot Barefoot Sound
Behringer BEHRINGER: Loudspeakers and Studio Monitors
Blue Sky Blue Sky ? Products
Bowers & Wilkins Home Audio, theatre & hidden speakers - Bowers & Wilkins | B&W
Citronic Citronic : Search : Results
Dynaudio Dynaudio - All there is.
ESI ESI - Products
Equator Q Series Studio Monitors
Eve EVE audio
Event Event Electronics | Reference Studio Monitoring
F.A.R ATD2 - FAR Active Monitor Products
Focal Focal Professional studio monitor loudspeakers, for recording, mastering and home studios
Fostex Speakers and Monitors | Fostex
Genelec Active Speakers and Speaker Systems from Genelec since 1978
Geithain New Products
iKey Products - iKey Audio
JBL Recording & Broadcast
K+H Neumann Professional Monitor Systems, Installed Sound
Kreisel Sound Kreisel Sound
KRK KRK SYSTEMS - Studio Monitors, Headphones, Subwoofers, Speakers, Monitoring Applications, Room Correction Technology
KS Audio Professional Studio Monitoring | Studio Speakers | KS Digital
Legend Acoustics Legend Acoustics
M-Audio M-AUDIO - Monitors
Mackie Mackie - Studio Monitors
Meridian Loudspeakers - Meridian
Meyer Sound Meyer Sound : Studio Series
Monkey Banana Monkey Banana studio monitors
M&K MK Sound | Professional Loudspeakers | Home Loudspeakers | Home Theater Sound Systems
Pelonis Pelonis Sound & Acoustics
Pioneer PioneerDJ Global
PMC Active | PMC Loudspeakers
Prodipe Studio monitors
Quested Monitoring systems - studio speakers. Welcome to the world of QUESTED
RCF RCF - Recording
Roland Roland U.S. - DS-30A: 24-bit Digital Reference Monitor
Samson Studio Monitors | Samson Technologies
sE Electronics sE Munro Egg 150 Monitoring System - sE Electronics
Sonodyne Welcome To Sonodyne
Spendor Spendor Audio Systems
Tannoy Tannoy - Studio Summary
Unity Audio Unity Audio Products | recording studio equipent
Yamaha MSP STUDIO Series | Speakers | Products | Yamaha

I had one query though, is it possible to connect the NAD amplifier though Apple airport express and stream my music directly via wi-fi?

Sure you can stream from iTunes to the Airport Express

Just one question for clarification. From the components that you mention, I had not thought that any could "focus" the sound, but is this also not at all true of the box?

Sorry I didnt understand your question. Did you mean the loudspeaker enclosure / cabinet? Could you please rephrase your question :) Are you asking if the enclosure / cabinet causes the sound to focus?
 
Shaman, nice to know that you found the speaker to yor liking. I think the MA Gold series is far superior and you haven't heard its full potential with the NAD 326. I would suggest auditioning with a better amplifier to understand its full potential :).
 
Wow! I never realised that the list of "good" monitor speakers was so long. I thought KRK sounded very, very nice when I was buying my cheap M-Audios, but have since been yearning for Genelec.

Yes, I meant the cabinet. Sorry, sometimes my brain fails to deliver the write words at the right time :o

Contributions from the pro audio world are always very welcome --- although they won't be received well by all, due to a certain lack of, err ...something. ;)
 
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