A Hotter Future Is Certain, but How Hot Is Up to Us.

[Analogous]

9 myths about electric vehicles have taken hold. A new study shows how many people fall for them​

9 myths about electric vehicles have taken hold. A new study shows how many people fall for them

From fires to carbon emissions and electromagnetic fields, misinformation about electric vehicles is rife – and widely believed.

theconversation.com

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[arj]

Anyone here has bought an EV ?
What I have understood is that 40% of the cost of an EV is the battery and that despite warranty has a high probability of giving up in 8 years and you are left with an highly depreciated vehicle with no resale value since the cost of battery replacement is the cost of the vehicle.
Any research/view on it ?

 

[Analogous]

Anyone here has bought an EV ?
What I have understood is that 40% of the cost of an EV is the battery and that despite warranty has a high probability of giving up in 8 years and you are left with an highly depreciated vehicle with no resale value since the cost of battery replacement is the cost of the vehicle.
Any research/view on it ?

I had the original Reva (before it was bought by Mahindra) and used it for four years. @60 km range per full charge Eco mode. It used lead acid batteries. Sold it for approximately half the price after this.
I have an electric scooter that I bought used for 50k (4 years old) that I don’t use much.
I also have an electric pedal assist bicycle - Qubit (30-35 km per charge) that I use almost every day.
Dreaming of a Hyundai Ioniq 5. But @ 45 L it’s a bit far away. Maybe in a year or two used ones will be within reach .

 

[arj]

Even I have a ecycle and in 1 year its battery has gone down by 25% extrapolating it to a car is what I am not sure about

 

[Analogous]

Even I have a ecycle and in 1 year its battery has gone down by 25% extrapolating it to a car is what I am not sure about

Luckily mine is going strong after three years.
This is what I found:

Why do lithium-ion batteries degrade over time?

Beatrice Browning, PhD researcher at the Faraday Institution explains why lithium-ion batteries degrade over time and outlines what is being done to extend their lifespan. Lithium-ion batteries (LiBs) are rechargeable batteries used in various portable electronic devices, including phones...

airqualitynews.com

 

[Analogous]

World leaders’ failure to act is pushing Earth past 1.5°C​

Climate futures: World leaders’ failure to act is pushing Earth past 1.5°C

This story is the first article of a two-part Mongabay mini-series exploring possible climate futures. Part Two will be published soon. The last two years brought record-shattering temperatures globally and a whirlwind of destructive weather, from catastrophic flooding in Europe and drought in...

news.mongabay.com

Meanwhile….

New temperature rule for ACs announced: What it is and why government wants you to limit AC cooling between ... - The Times of India

Tech News : India is set to implement new air conditioning standards, restricting the temperature range to 20°C-28°C. Union Minister Manohar Lal Khattar announced

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Analogous]

3.6 Million Indians Are Losing Homes To Climate Change Every Year, But No Law Requires The State To Help Them​

3.6 Million Indians Are Losing Homes To Climate Change Every Year, But No Law Requires The State To Help Them

More than 56 million Indians lost their homes over 15 years to floods, erosion, landslides and other growing disasters related to climate change, but neither a 2005 law nor its 2024 amendment provides for relocation and resettlement. Despite the union finance minister’s promises in the 2024...

article-14.com

 

[Analogous]

India Climate Change Data | Emissions and Policies

Snapshots of countries' climate progress, including historical and projected emissions, their Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC), risks and vulnerability to climate change, and linkages between NDCs and the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

www.climatewatchdata.org

 

[Analogous]

Fewer people doesn’t always mean better outcomes for nature – just look at Japan

Fewer people doesn’t always mean better outcomes for nature – just look at Japan

Even with fewer people, wildlife has less space and fewer niches to inhabit.

theconversation.com

 

[reignofchaos]

Anyone here has bought an EV ?
What I have understood is that 40% of the cost of an EV is the battery and that despite warranty has a high probability of giving up in 8 years and you are left with an highly depreciated vehicle with no resale value since the cost of battery replacement is the cost of the vehicle.
Any research/view on it ?

The official design life of an EV battery is 15 years with half of that life warranted. The other thing to note is that cell degradation is significantly higher than the assumed degradation when ambient temperatures are higher than 30 degrees which is the case in our country for most of the year. I have my doubts whether the current crop of EVs will even survive for 10 years in Indian weather before their batteries give up.

 

[Nitin K]

So far only the benefits of EV are being highlighted. The cons seem to be quitely sidelined. The charging time & stations ( the driver nightmares regarding functionability of charging stations on highways are stated in Team BHP) as of now are still in its infancy and God know's how stable the batteries will be in the long run in the not so conducive weather and driving conditions.
Hoping that there will be a proper way to recycle or dispose unusable batteries in the future which are even more detrimental to the environment.

 

[Analogous]

I have spoken to several early adopter- owners of EVs. Every one of them (so far) has expressed satisfaction with their ownership and usage experience.
But I can understand how “range anxiety” combined with poor public charging infrastructure could be a significant factor in deciding on EVs

 

[Nitin K]

I have spoken to several early adopter- owners of EVs. Every one of them (so far) has expressed satisfaction with their ownership and usage experience.
But I can understand how “range anxiety” combined with poor public charging infrastructure could be a significant factor in deciding on EVs

For short runs within the city, EV's may be fine. True test would be for long drives in the heat where charging stations are required or during monsoon road flooding.
After 10 to 15 years maybe the feasibility here would be more clear.

 

[Analogous]

Every new innovation (eg: New tech, EV) follows patterns which are predictable to an extent. Once such is the The diffusion of innovation theory, popularized by Everett Rogers, explains how, why, and at what rate new ideas and technologies spread through a social system. It outlines a predictable pattern of adoption, with different groups adopting an innovation at various stages, from early innovators to laggards. This theory is crucial for understanding how new products, services, or ideas become widely accepted or fail to gain traction.

Key Concepts:

Innovation:
A new idea, practice, or object that is perceived as new by an individual or other unit of adoption.

Communication Channels:
The means by which information about the innovation is transmitted to individuals within the social system.

Time:
The amount of time it takes for an innovation to be adopted, which varies across individuals and groups.

Social System:
The network of individuals, groups, or organizations that are involved in the diffusion process.

Adopter Categories:
Individuals and groups are categorized based on their willingness to adopt innovations:

Innovators: Venturesome, eager to try new things.

Early Adopters: Opinion leaders, respected by their peers.

Early Majority: Deliberate, adopt before the average person.

Late Majority: Skeptical, adopt after the majority has already done so.

Laggards: Traditional, resistant to change.

Rate of Adoption:
The speed at which an innovation is adopted within a social system, influenced by factors like the innovation's relative advantage, compatibility, complexity, trialability, and observability.

How it Works:
The diffusion process typically follows an S-shaped curve, with a slow start as innovators adopt, followed by a rapid increase as the early and late majorities adopt, and finally a plateau as laggards are reached. Understanding these stages and the characteristics of each adopter category allows for targeted strategies to promote the adoption of innovations

 

[Analogous]

How India moves: Must we promote private EVs?​

Our decarbonisation and air pollution reduction objectives demand that we reduce private transport on our roads and transition to an approach that moves people, not vehicles

How India moves: Must we promote private EVs?

What’s the value of personal electric vehicles? Are the Teslas or the BYDs the answer to the climate conundrum we face today? This is neither a convenient quest

www.downtoearth.org.in

 

[COOLDUDE7808]

I read somewhere that new buildings in Mumbai are going to have a provision for EV charging just like other amenities . So eventually with combined effort of all the stakeholders , charging issue should be resolved in few years . Govt has already started its pilot project in Delhi of coercing people to let go of their old vehicles . Now on hold after public outcry . So seems like GOI is serious .

 

[Nitin K]

I read somewhere that new buildings in Mumbai are going to have a provision for EV charging just like other amenities . So eventually with combined effort of all the stakeholders , charging issue should be resolved in few years . Govt has already started its pilot project in Delhi of coercing people to let go of their old vehicles . Now on hold after public outcry . So seems like GOI is serious .

Hope they don't burn more coal to generate more electricity for EV's and would resort to a green source of energy. Else it is back to square 1 by taking another route.
If I am not mistaken Delhi govt have revoked the ban on old vehicles. If an old vehicle is well maintained and well within the PUC criteria, then banning it does not make much sense. More than the age, the emission of the vehicle should be taken into account.
I guess very well maintained vintage vehicles would have to be scrapped then.

 

[oldmonk]

I read somewhere that new buildings in Mumbai are going to have a provision for EV charging just like other amenities . So eventually with combined effort of all the stakeholders , charging issue should be resolved in few years . Govt has already started its pilot project in Delhi of coercing people to let go of their old vehicles . Now on hold after public outcry . So seems like GOI is serious .

Yes..they get serious for commercial interests with AA rating but for public interest they do what they know best.

There is a rethink happening cos EV's are only taking pollution from 1 pocket and transferring to another pocket

BTW...EV's are Exploitation Vehicles...the battery mining is a labor intensive and exploitative to children of poor countries.

Rich get richer...and the poor resource rich countries..poorer..

And the cycle continues...

BTW...the cycle is the least EV of them all !!

 

[COOLDUDE7808]

Yes..they get serious for commercial interests with AA rating but for public interest they do what they know best.

There is a rethink happening cos EV's are only taking pollution from 1 pocket and transferring to another pocket

BTW...EV's are Exploitation Vehicles...the battery mining is a labor intensive and exploitative to children of poor countries.

Rich get richer...and the poor resource rich countries..poorer..

And the cycle continues...

BTW...the cycle is the least EV of them all !!

Extent of Pollution is always relative in nature . As on date EV is a better option compared to available fuels , hence the push . Those who are already in legacy business will resist. Exploration of oil wherein you dig deep everywhere right from land to sea is neither sustainable nor good for the envt in the long term . Maybe in the future better ways of manufacturing batteries will be invented .

Hope they don't burn more coal to generate more electricity for EV's and would resort to a green source of energy. Else it is back to square 1 by taking another route.
If I am not mistaken Delhi govt have revoked the ban on old vehicles. If an old vehicle is well maintained and well within the PUC criteria, then banning it does not make much sense. More than the age, the emission of the vehicle should be taken into account.
I guess very well maintained vintage vehicles would have to be scrapped then.

Coming up with some Emission norms and having vehicles checked regularly and then deciding on scrapping sounds logical but in terms of implementation is a nightmare . I guess eventually we will move to a situation wherein just like there is life for everything , vehicles will be designed keeping 10 or 15 years of life in mind

 

[oldmonk]

Extent of Pollution is always relative in nature . As on date EV is a better option compared to available fuels , hence the push . Those who are already in legacy business will resist. Exploration of oil wherein you dig deep everywhere right from land to sea is neither sustainable nor good for the envt in the long term . Maybe in the future better ways of manufacturing batteries will be invented .

I hope so too..better batteries...but not at the cost of poor children digging for precious minerals for the rich to drive around in.. its a hypocrisy presently

That future..I will welcome too..

In fact a future where

one doesn't need to travel...
No exploitation of resources or other living beings

Could be a reality when minds meet


PS : In order to maintain the temperature of this thread i must vanish temporarily...to a place where I don't need to travel...where minds meet