Apple music lossless on AVR

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Hi All,

I am wondering if there is a way where I can experience apple music lossless (hi-res lossless) on my Yamaha rxv 583 avr by using my iPhone (wired connection).

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi All,

I am wondering if there is a way where I can experience apple music lossless (hi-res lossless) on my Yamaha rxv 583 avr by using my iPhone (wired connection).

Thanks in advance!
Yes you can.I have connected the iPhone 11 to lightning to USB adapter - hermen eagle dac- rca cable input to media on denon avr for hi-res lossless audio
 

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Output of DAC will be Analog!

Wired connection for Lossless is not an issue right now I guess, the issue is passing it on wirelessly.

Ohh ya, my bad. Actually I asked cause of the following,

 

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If you have HDMI ARC port and smart tv, then try streaming to Apple Airplay on the TV. Audio quality is much better than Bluetooth for sure if not Hi-Res.
 

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If ur AVR has airplay just use that on ur iPhone and select media server from output menu of AVR phone app. Select ur avr on airplay on iphone. Ur done. With lightening cable u get 24/192. Wireless over airplay will be 24/48 but it's great 👍🏼
 

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AirPlay can stream lossless files up to 16-bit / 44.1 kHz for CD-quality playback. It's not Hi-Res..
airplay2 apparently can do 24-bit / 48 max. But I have come across a miniscule audio content out there with this sampling rate. Even my own music collection (around 1.8 Tb), there is hardly any thing with 48kHz sampling rate. So practically airplay is good only for cd quality but not Hi-Res. Having said that, I think apple's priority is spatial audio with with dolby atmos and not hi-res or being able to play bit-perfect.

When it comes to bit perfect it becomes worse. Even though apple music will show that it is playing the music lossless, your dac may not be receiving it lossless. Apple has just got into the game. It will be a long road ahead to get their act together as far as Hi-Res is concerned.

The bottom line is that AirPlay 2 isn't currently receiving bit perfect lossless audio unless the system-wide output is set to an AirPlay 2 device, otherwise it's likely converting it to AAC at 256 kbps. Strangely, the Music app on macOS says it's streaming lossless audio when sending via AirPlay 2 even if it is lossy because of the output selection only being done in the Music app, but the audio isn't bit perfect this way. The same app when sending via AirPlay 1, will display the lossless logo only if the system-wide audio device is set to the AirPlay 1 device.

As of now the only devices that can play well are the ipads and iphones. But it is a PITA reserving an IOS device just to play apple music and nothing else. Apple's other devices macbooks, macminis suck at playing hires. The music app is shoddy. Few months back, they just added Hi-Res in the preferences for playback (see attached image below).
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But the music app doesn't change the sampling rate automatically. So you are stuck at one sampling rate throughout the playback. The only way you can change the sampling rate is to use the 'Audio Midi' setup application on macbook, mac minis. Now when you connect an external DAC, apple does it quite amateurly. There are two problems

1. apple hasn't yet learned how to detect external dacs properly. For some of my dacs it does it ok. For some, like In this case below my Xonar dac is shown as speakers. Linux and even the shoddy windows recognize DAC properly and will show the dac name. Linux properly shows my dac as Essence One.
2. All you can do is to set a fixed sampling rate. In my case i have set it to 192 kHz so that at least my hi-res dsd and hi-res flac music plays bit-perfect. On Linux, all music applications automatically change the sampling rate as per the source. Itunes has been there since 2001. 21 years later apple still hasn't learned how to automatically set the sampling rate.

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Other users have also found this out. This is from a user who has done extensive testing of airplay and found out that even though the music app will show the playback as lossless when in reality it is not.

There you have the complete soup sandwich that is Apple Music lossless streaming over AirPlay versions 1 and 2.

I'd like to note that some people have said my bit perfect testing isn't really that big of a deal because Apple is streaming lossless audio and they don't care if it isn't bit perfect because it's better than the lossy stuff. After doing my research, I can tell you the "lossless" may be the exact same thing as the lossy, so people really should care about bit perfect playback. If we don't know where the digital signal processing is happening, we don't know that it's even lossless.

The biggest surprise to me is that even when using the Apple's Camera Connection Kit (CCK) the playback is not lossless.
I know it's not AirPlay-related: don't you find the lossless streaming from iOS/iPadOS through USB CCK not being bit perfect particularly disappointing?
 
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It's still not Hi-Res, read the following article.

This is another surprise to me. All these days I thought you could at least play apple music perfectly using ipad and iphone. But the article above shows that 192 kHz is downsampled to 96 kHz by the music app on iphones / ipad to conserve battery. So technically you can play HiRes but not lossless on the ipads and iphones.
 

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Then basically there is no device-DAC combo that will let you play 192? Although I would be happy to get even 96 somehow.
 

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This is another surprise to me. All these days I thought you could at least play apple music perfectly using ipad and iphone. But the article above shows that 192 kHz is downsampled to 96 kHz by the music app on iphones / ipad to conserve battery. So technically you can play HiRes but not lossless on the ipads and iphones.
How so ? I am streaming 24/192 from iPad using Apple USB3 camera adapter to the Topping E50 DAC, using Apple Music.
DAC Display shows the sampling frequency as 192.
Where the files are 96kHz it shows 96.
 

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It's still not Hi-Res, read the following article.

The article is from June 2021. Darko made an updated video with correction also after the change in facts. Check it out since u follow him.
I am able to stream 24/48 & 24/96 wirelessly.
With lightening cable ull get 24/192.

But 24/48 24/96 also sounds excellent over airplay connect. Pure digital handshake 🤝 no interference. U can instantly tell the difference as it's powerful output over other personal media.

I've also tried personal media over bubble upnp & hi fi cast player on Android (DLNA), even this sounds great as it does direct stream to DAC and plays ⏯️ 24/192 FLAC. But the problem is many media turns out fake/bogus and u can tell by listening instantly cuz of the difference in output. Plus there's always a limit to personal media. So it's my own practical experience and it works 👍🏼
 
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