Audio signals sent through copper wire, a banana, or wet mud
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Here is the process they used:
www.diyaudio.com
Copper wire vs bananas vs mud - An interconnect test
Do you remember the great fun we had 11 years ago when I ran audio signals through fruits and vegetables, beer, coke, steel wool and other stuff? No? Not to worry, here is the banana mud redux! The idea of this blind test is that the same audio signals were run through copper wire, then...
But aren't we also supposed to use our eyes (and other senses) to listen?
reignofchaos
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I am trademarking Mud Cables asap.
To make the audio sound more wet, lively and involving instead of dry, uninterested and distant?
The fallacy in this experiment is that instead of hearing to recordings made via the above mediums, they should have made the people listen to the same (any) recording via these mediums.
However, it is a known fact that almost all studios do not use any of the exotic audiophile cables and all recordings and the subsequent mixing go via various equipments and a plethora of regular cables.
The entire conundrum comes at the time of reproduction in our rooms and equipment.
However, it is a known fact that almost all studios do not use any of the exotic audiophile cables and all recordings and the subsequent mixing go via various equipments and a plethora of regular cables.
The entire conundrum comes at the time of reproduction in our rooms and equipment.
The same recordings were offered to listeners in the test. This included the original CD recording as well, though none were identified.
The playback versions were done using mud etc. In the link above the methodology is explained.
The clips were then offered online for anyone to participate. No selection bias except for self selection by “interested participants “ Also no intention to have live participants listen to playback in the studio as you have pointed out.
But it is hardly a rigorous scientific experiment and yet…the findings are uncomfortable to many of us.
How useful are these findings? Difficult to say except that most of us don’t spend our time “A-Bing” cables or other materials. Many of us (at least on this forum) however do spend time pondering cables and their possible effects on the sound in our setups?
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There are also blind test results where all amps sound same
Wonder if we can blind test a blind test
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There are also blind test results where all amps sound same
Wonder if we can blind test a blind test
I don’t think they claim “They all sound the same”
Just that the participants could not identify the different objects used in the recordings used in the test reliably and consistently.
You are right we shouldn’t extrapolate more than what the experiment with all its limitations can demonstrate.
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Audiophiles Keep Failing the Test That Should End the Amplifier Debate
Why do expensive amps keep selling even when blind tests prove they sound the same?
www.headphonesty.com
Now we have removed cables and amps from the equation. we just need to prove dacs and speakers all sound the same, give up the hobby and go for ahuja speakers and amps.
There is a thread on the topic regarding DACs…Audiophiles Keep Failing the Test That Should End the Amplifier Debate
Why do expensive amps keep selling even when blind tests prove they sound the same?
Now we have removed cables and amps from the equation. we just need to prove dacs and speakers all sound the same, give up the hobby and go for ahuja speakers and amps.
reignofchaos
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All cables sound the same.
All amps sound the same
All DACs sound the same
What will they say next? All donkeys bray the same, all dogs bark the same, all cats meow the same?
Maybe it's time to shut this site down and get on with life.
All amps sound the same
All DACs sound the same
What will they say next? All donkeys bray the same, all dogs bark the same, all cats meow the same?
Maybe it's time to shut this site down and get on with life.
Again: they only said the participants could not pick out which conductor or cable was used in the experiment.
This is a “finding” and not an opinion. Disturbing to some but there it is. The experiment has Not been replicated independently as far as I know and there are several limitations.
A bit different from “they all sound the same” which is an opinion.
Most audiophiles and the nay sayers (who sit on opposite piles) are pretty fanatic about their beliefs and often the reactions are strong. It is again true with other areas as-well.
The ultimate aim should be to keep the argument healthy and civic despite that fact that arguments can often bring out irrational stuff.
reignofchaos
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When the test itself is rigged to align with an opinion, it is neither an experiment nor a finding.
This angle never occurred to me.
How was it rigged?
And what was the opinion it was supposed to align with?
reignofchaos
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You should check the diyaudio thread - many folks have commented the same.
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