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Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
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Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
I am sorry but I am not getting what you are trying to say. My example was referring to people who used a cheap DVD player as CDP and Behringer Amp vs Classe, YBA, Wadia and MIT.
I am sorry but I am not getting what you are trying to say. My example was referring to people who used a cheap DVD player as CDP and Behringer Amp vs Classe, YBA, Wadia and MIT.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
People in every hobby have a different level of engagement. For example, a photographer who publishes mural sized prints vs one who likes to click and share on facebook will have different needs. Similarly, people pay different levels of attention to music and use systems accordingly.
Personally, I have a similar thing on video - I dont really notice the difference between blu ray and DVD on a 50" plasma screen. That doesn't mean the difference isnt there - it just means that it is not important to the way I experience movies (even though I am someone who enjoys watching them).
People in every hobby have a different level of engagement. For example, a photographer who publishes mural sized prints vs one who likes to click and share on facebook will have different needs. Similarly, people pay different levels of attention to music and use systems accordingly.
Personally, I have a similar thing on video - I dont really notice the difference between blu ray and DVD on a 50" plasma screen. That doesn't mean the difference isnt there - it just means that it is not important to the way I experience movies (even though I am someone who enjoys watching them).
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Why not? It applies to all who rather rely on their senses rather than science. To illustrate how poor is our hearing. Ask someone to play the same track everyday at 0.1dB difference and you try to guess the correct level. 0.1dB is too small? Ok...make it 1dB . Than, at least we can believe that the person who could hear the difference indeed in possession of super hearing. Ever seen any audiophiles tried to prove their hearing superiority by identifying pitch? phase? loudness? highest audible frequency?
Forget apple to apple comparison this is not even fruit to any other fruit comparison.
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Why not? It applies to all who rather rely on their senses rather than science. To illustrate how poor is our hearing. Ask someone to play the same track everyday at 0.1dB difference and you try to guess the correct level. 0.1dB is too small? Ok...make it 1dB . Than, at least we can believe that the person who could hear the difference indeed in possession of super hearing. Ever seen any audiophiles tried to prove their hearing superiority by identifying pitch? phase? loudness? highest audible frequency?
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
The next significant sound level is +/- 3 dB (from a given reference level). Human hearing acuity is not blessed with the ability to distinguish 0.1 dB difference (or even 1 dB), but most people can make out a difference when difference is of the order of 3 dB.
The next significant sound level is +/- 3 dB (from a given reference level). Human hearing acuity is not blessed with the ability to distinguish 0.1 dB difference (or even 1 dB), but most people can make out a difference when difference is of the order of 3 dB.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Hi Ambio
You are the one who mentioned you know people who can't hear any difference between a USD 700 and a USD 12000 player. I never mentioned anything. I think there is a huge difference between these two level of players
Hi Ambio
You are the one who mentioned you know people who can't hear any difference between a USD 700 and a USD 12000 player. I never mentioned anything. I think there is a huge difference between these two level of players
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Really? The measurable difference in CDP is lesser than 0.1dB....
Actually, you could tell 0.1dB after some training and side by side comparison. There must be a few recording engineers in this forum. Anyone?
Really? The measurable difference in CDP is lesser than 0.1dB....
Actually, you could tell 0.1dB after some training and side by side comparison. There must be a few recording engineers in this forum. Anyone?
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Thinking is different than proving. The player is cheaper than US700.
Here is the link.. And I have tried many years to encourage fellow audiophiles over here to conduct similar experiment. No one would want to do except for a few.
Thinking is different than proving. The player is cheaper than US700.
Here is the link.. And I have tried many years to encourage fellow audiophiles over here to conduct similar experiment. No one would want to do except for a few.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Just to be sure that we are both talking of the same thing, I was referring to change in loudness level. Thanks.
Really? The measurable difference in CDP is lesser than 0.1dB....
Just to be sure that we are both talking of the same thing, I was referring to change in loudness level. Thanks.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
I think this threads should go on till we reach a closure. Here is one more prove which you can repeat at home and disprove.
$2000 Benchmark vs $2 Realtek Audio Codec. Sorry...again you cant tell. You are free to disprove this at your leisure.
I think this threads should go on till we reach a closure. Here is one more prove which you can repeat at home and disprove.
$2000 Benchmark vs $2 Realtek Audio Codec. Sorry...again you cant tell. You are free to disprove this at your leisure.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Your point is that people who dont listen to music seriously cant hear differences between audio components? Similarly I dont notice a difference between blu ray and DVDs.
What does this have to do with the relevance of CD players? People who like listening to music on CDs use them. Others dont.
Your point is that people who dont listen to music seriously cant hear differences between audio components? Similarly I dont notice a difference between blu ray and DVDs.
What does this have to do with the relevance of CD players? People who like listening to music on CDs use them. Others dont.
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
I thought listening to music was about enjoyment, not scientific perfection.
To me, the flow of music and how a system reproduces it is very important. However, there dont seem to be any commonly published figures for amps, cd players etc that measure this. If I go by your approach, my hearing or my brain is wrong and the relaxation I feel listening to music is actually an illusion. To take that to its ultimate conclusion, I should throw away all my gear and listen on something that is "scientifically" as good but doesnt actually bring me that relaxation/enjoyment.
I thought listening to music was about enjoyment, not scientific perfection.
To me, the flow of music and how a system reproduces it is very important. However, there dont seem to be any commonly published figures for amps, cd players etc that measure this. If I go by your approach, my hearing or my brain is wrong and the relaxation I feel listening to music is actually an illusion. To take that to its ultimate conclusion, I should throw away all my gear and listen on something that is "scientifically" as good but doesnt actually bring me that relaxation/enjoyment.
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Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Prem, I think you were the first one to bring vinyl into this thread to compare the sound. Can I now take your opinion as vinyl to be better than computer? Is it wrong if I were to ask why you said so because so and so showed the deficiency in vinyl?
SQ came much earlier than that. If this thread is about subjective preference than I am not interested unless someone is going to suggest that one medium is superior than the other. Difference possible but superior for 16 bit 44.1 kHz recording? I am not sure and have proposed to Ranjeet how to go about with his challenge.
As a responsible adult it is my duty to highlight the experts opinions to rebut subjective opinion. Let the readers decide which one they would prefer. I am sure someone out there would saved some money after reading the some many DBT results.
Prem, I think you were the first one to bring vinyl into this thread to compare the sound. Can I now take your opinion as vinyl to be better than computer? Is it wrong if I were to ask why you said so because so and so showed the deficiency in vinyl?
SQ came much earlier than that. If this thread is about subjective preference than I am not interested unless someone is going to suggest that one medium is superior than the other. Difference possible but superior for 16 bit 44.1 kHz recording? I am not sure and have proposed to Ranjeet how to go about with his challenge.
As a responsible adult it is my duty to highlight the experts opinions to rebut subjective opinion. Let the readers decide which one they would prefer. I am sure someone out there would saved some money after reading the some many DBT results.
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Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
The opposite is true. if I don't hear the difference I don't care. I have immediate access to live unamplified sound for referance. If in opinion that someone with some standing stated otherwise than I use DBT. This is not religion that one could get away by telling have faith in me and trust your heart or in this case ears.
The opposite is true. if I don't hear the difference I don't care. I have immediate access to live unamplified sound for referance. If in opinion that someone with some standing stated otherwise than I use DBT. This is not religion that one could get away by telling have faith in me and trust your heart or in this case ears.
dheerajin
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Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Rather than adding something useful for FMs, people are just pushing there arguments and challenging others by using useless testing method. So please add to the topic not to the confusion just for the sake of an argument
Rather than adding something useful for FMs, people are just pushing there arguments and challenging others by using useless testing method. So please add to the topic not to the confusion just for the sake of an argument
Re: Are CD Player still relevant?
Please chose credible experts. Toms Hardware commenting on audio equipment doesnt qualify as an "expert", someone like Steve Hoffman would
Please chose credible experts. Toms Hardware commenting on audio equipment doesnt qualify as an "expert", someone like Steve Hoffman would
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