Dsd

Has anybody auditioned the Northstar series of DSD DAC's, the Essensio, Excelsio etc? Also if anyone has heard Northstar DAC's what is their signature, it is clinical or warm?
Cheers,
Sid

I've heard the older northstar transport+dac combo at the Rethm Studio. I instantly fell in love with it. I believe the one I heard is based on the BB PCM1704K chip. It has a warm, engaging sound that one instantly connects with - tonally pure and wholesome. It wasn't outrageously detailed like some of the hyper detailed DACs such as dCS or the newer gen ESS Sabre based dacs but I didn't feel a lack of detail either.
 
I've heard the older northstar transport+dac combo at the Rethm Studio. I instantly fell in love with it. I believe the one I heard is based on the BB PCM1704K chip. It has a warm, engaging sound that one instantly connects with - tonally pure and wholesome. It wasn't outrageously detailed like some of the hyper detailed DACs such as dCS or the newer gen ESS Sabre based dacs but I didn't feel a lack of detail either.

dCS and outrageously detailed? hyper detailed? That's got to be a joke! Even a lowly Weiss 202 digs as much detail than a twice priced dCS.

In 2015, any DAC that makes a dCS sound outrageously detailed in comparison isn't anything better than entry-level material. And if that's a big name DAC then I'll save my money and rather buy a cheap made in China Philips TDA NOS DAC.
 
In 2015, any DAC that makes a dCS sound outrageously detailed in comparison isn't anything better than entry-level material. And if that's a big name DAC then I'll save my money and rather buy a cheap made in China Philips TDA NOS DAC.

It's not that far fetched from a tech point of view. dCS were pioneers in the way they handled power treatment and clocking. This is now commonly known and well implemented. I don't for a minute think that a cheap and cheerful DAC is going to close the gap on a dCS stack but the gap is closing.

In fact there is a Chinese company that is the OEM mfr for a high end swiss company - the name escapes me. It still isn't cheap but it's not the same price as the original.
 
I've heard the older northstar transport+dac combo at the Rethm Studio. I instantly fell in love with it. I believe the one I heard is based on the BB PCM1704K chip. It has a warm, engaging sound that one instantly connects with - tonally pure and wholesome. It wasn't outrageously detailed like some of the hyper detailed DACs such as dCS or the newer gen ESS Sabre based dacs but I didn't feel a lack of detail either.

Thanks ROC, I am mulling the northstar excelsio as an entry into DSD. Let us see if it materializes.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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It's not that far fetched from a tech point of view. dCS were pioneers in the way they handled power treatment and clocking. This is now commonly known and well implemented. I don't for a minute think that a cheap and cheerful DAC is going to close the gap on a dCS stack but the gap is closing.

dCS products have been reviewed by 100s of people and owned by tens of thousands. I have never come across anyone who thought of them as "outrageously detailed" and/or "hyper detailed". Let alone well-known industry experts and owners, I myself have owned dCS gear for longer than a year now, and I know first hand that nothing can be farther from the truth.

As one moves up in the hierarchy, components are supposed to be increasingly detailed. Being detailed is an expected characteristic from an expensive component. If we look at this thread itself, the verdict was that DSD offers better resolution, hence the quest.

dCS, as a company, is of highest repute (easily top 3). Their DACs almost always get "best sound I have heard", " "best sound I have heard in my room", "best sound I have heard in my setup", in closing remarks of reviewers and owners. I don't see why someone will describe dCS products in such a libelous manner.

As far as tech point is concerned, there is a limit to speculation. Tech point can't be a basis for posting arbitrary/unsubstantiated comments, especially when they are negative.


PS: Sidvee/other mods, last few comments are not too relevant to this thread. I hope it's fine to move these in a new thread titled "dCS DACs" to keep this thread uncluttered.
 
PS: Sidvee/other mods, last few comments are not too relevant to this thread. I hope it's fine to move these in a new thread titled "dCS DACs" to keep this thread uncluttered.

I have no issues leaving this discussion here. My intent was to get a general understanding of DSD both from a format and equipment perspective.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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Guys I will try to preempt any further disagreements. Let us refer to DSD and DSD capable DAC's in this thread.
For FM's who want to talk about other DAC's please start a new thread under DAC section
Cheers,
Sid
 
Point taken ... we all get carried away.

Sid, when is your DAC arriving? You mentioned something on Saturday but conversation veered off audio and I forgot what you said.

Regards.
 
Sid, when is your DAC arriving?

I have pulled the trigger on the North Star impulso DAC from the US dealer. It will be waiting in US, so I will pick it up when I travel there later this year - late summer time. Plan is to use it in my main system to check out DSD playback and if I am sufficiently convinced then I will upgrade to a PBD or some of the newer DAC's, perhaps the Berkeley Audio design or a PS Audio etc.
Cheers,
Sid
 
Sid Berkeley doesn't do dsd. Only pcm. Dsd is against their philosophy of building one optimized circuit for filtering.

I stand corrected ROC. I thought their new Alpha DAC does DSD but realized that it does not.
So they are off my list.
Cheers,
Sid
 
Sid,

These past few months or so I have been playing with DSD material on my setup.
Using JRiver to down sample files to 24 bit 176.4 / 192 kHz on the fly.

The difference in SQ is pretty noticeable even though the files are no longer DSD when they hit the DAC. I am wondering what the SQ is going to be like with native DSD DAC! The music is softer with much better rise times and clearer transients. I am really enjoying being able to turn up the volume knob a little more.

DSD is definitely as close you can get to analog. There is definitely more dynamic range on offer.

Regards.
 
Thanks, Nikhil.
I've been wondering at what level of equipment would the difference begin to be audible. Had been considering putting up a thread and connecting with FMs to possibly hear it for myself.
 
I have downloaded a number of DSD files now and looking forward to hearing it with the new Chord DAC hopefully by next week.....Have a couple of albums in DSD, Flac 192/24 and will report what I hear...
 
There are at least a couple of Metrum Octave owners here. Would be grateful if they would do likewise and post their views.
So also for other PCM only DAC owners.

Read this elsewhere for the Octave:
You'll like it with DSD, timbres are excellent and a little different than PCM. The harmonic richness that comes through with PCM on this dac is even better with DSD. Both types come across as natural.


Sid,

These past few months or so I have been playing with DSD material on my setup.
Using JRiver to down sample files to 24 bit 176.4 / 192 kHz on the fly.

The difference in SQ is pretty noticeable even though the files are no longer DSD when they hit the DAC. I am wondering what the SQ is going to be like with native DSD DAC! The music is softer with much better rise times and clearer transients. I am really enjoying being able to turn up the volume knob a little more.

DSD is definitely as close you can get to analog. There is definitely more dynamic range on offer.

Regards.
 
Looking forward to your review and comments and also of the others who have bought this one.

I have downloaded a number of DSD files now and looking forward to hearing it with the new Chord DAC hopefully by next week.....Have a couple of albums in DSD, Flac 192/24 and will report what I hear...
 
Sid,

Not to derail your thread - request you to please split this thread so that we can continue a discussion on DSD.

Regards.
 
Guys check this article out:
To DSD or Not to DSD, That Is The Question: PS Audio PerfectWave DirectStream DAC v Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC Reference Series | AudioStream
Interesting but confusing No?
Anyways one has to experience for oneself.
Cheers,
Sid

Truly things are never set in stone at the high end of the spectrum. While DSD might appeal to some, NOS PCM might appeal to others. Personally, having sampled both, I'd buy a berkeley over ps audio any day of the week.
 
Adding to the discussion, here is a White Paper on DSD by Eelco Grimm & Peter van Willenswaard of Grimm Audio.
Grimm is a premier mfr some of the best AD converters in the pro world.
http://www.grimmaudio.com/site/asset...8/dsd_myth.pdf

I have to say I now prefer DSD recordings over other formats. The sound seems to hover/leave the speakers to form a really enjoyable sound stage in my setup. However I am still trying to get to the bottom of the whole concept because as far as I know all DAC chips only understand I2S.
 
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