Ear Fatigue

[srinisundar]

Srini, is there something you know that others participating in this thread don't? It seems as if you are assuming a lot How do you know if he is selling for that particular reason? Or whether this thread is linked to his decision to sell? May be you or the OP should clarify, otherwise this thread will become totally OT. :lol:

To me, it sounds like a very generic topic and very generic curiosity. All the post that I have made are with that in mind. From your posts it seems like you are linking this thread with some sale of his? Is that correct?

Yes you are right.. OP has put an item on sale, so thought this is related..

Added : This thread is also created almost in similar time of sale, i assumed this is the reason for sale.

 

[ranjeetrain]

Yes you are right.. OP has put an item on sale, so thought this is related..

Added : This thread is also created almost in similar time of sale, i assumed this is the reason for sale.

Heheh I thought so!

 

[corElement]

No one said metal tweeters "automatically" mean bright or silk dome "automatically" means warm.

And by the same token, copper doesn't automatically or always mean warm and silver bright like I have seen you post many a times.

Not saying anyone did Ranjeet, just indicating him to keep an open mind
For the vast majority your observation is quite accurate. I just wanted to give an idea of an exception.
Same goes for the copper and silver. Indeed just being copper or silver doesn't automatically make it brighter or warmer.
There's always variables and exceptions to consider.

 

[joyous]

Yes you are right.. OP has put an item on sale, so thought this is related..

Added : This thread is also created almost in similar time of sale, i assumed this is the reason for sale.

FYI : There is no relation with this thread and my sale thread.

Lesson : Being busy with your own business is better than assumptions. Or else others get affected by your wild imaginations.

No hurt intended.

 

[srinisundar]

Oops.. I dont hurted anyway and only want to tell this thread was created by you in a wrong time when your sale was put up. So i co-related that is the problem... Can I know why you are selling those tiny Sonodyne within a month please.

 

[corElement]

Oops.. I dont hurted anyway and only want to tell this thread was created by you in a wrong time when your sale was put up. So i co-related that is the problem... Can I know why you are selling those tiny Sonodyne within a month please.

Someone got him a kef from abroad.

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Thread fatigue...

 

[arj]

Why some speakers cause ear fatigue and some not? I have experienced ear fatigue even in good sounding speakers. Ear fatigue certainly varies with speakers. Why this happens and how can we measure ear fatigue to better purchase of speakers?

Thanks

If by fatigue, you mean discomfort in hearing, you cannot blame just the speaker..it could be due to poor recordings (most mp3s with low bit rates or bad cd recordings ), poor sources (cd players), amplifiers or speakers...I would mostly blame the 1st two as more common.

In more resolving systems, cables can also cause the same. corelements posts are pretty lucid on the Impact. Cables capable of more details on mediocre systems will sound jarring as well.

So don't just blame the speaker.


Typically too much bass, sibilants etc can all cause jarring sound


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[joyous]

Is the price of high end speakers (or any other audio equipment) determined by ear fatigue? I never seen an ad mentioning this 'important' factor.

But noticed that cheap equipments causes more fatigue.

 

[corElement]

Is the price of high end speakers (or any other audio equipment) determined by ear fatigue? I never seen an ad mentioning this 'important' factor.

But noticed that cheap equipments causes more fatigue.

No such co-relation I'm afraid, what's fatigue to you may not be fatigue to me.

It's relative to every individual and component, just like what's cheap to one and whats not.

For example some people find boomy bass to cause fatigue, while others love it.

 

[arj]

Well designed equipment would typically not cause the kind of distortions which usually cause fatigue.. But as mentioned above..you need to define fatigue much better.


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[hfvuser]

okay, so this weird thing is happening to me. I know they say dont insert earbuds deep in ear, but i kinda did that while cleaning ear. Now since past 2 weeks, I am feeling that I am unable to identify the direction of the sound source!! Any home remedies?

 

[moktan]

okay, so this weird thing is happening to me. I know they say dont insert earbuds deep in ear, but i kinda did that while cleaning ear. Now since past 2 weeks, I am feeling that I am unable to identify the direction of the sound source!! Any home remedies?

could be that one of your ears is not hearing properly....

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

It cold be that you pushed a wax blockage into your ear. No home remedies, please: you should go and see an ENT doc ASAP. Never mind music, we need stereo hearing for such basic things as safety on the road!

 

[joyous]

okay, so this weird thing is happening to me. I know they say dont insert earbuds deep in ear, but i kinda did that while cleaning ear. Now since past 2 weeks, I am feeling that I am unable to identify the direction of the sound source!! Any home remedies?

Consult a doctor asap. This is necessary at least to identify whether there are actual problem or not.

 

[cooltoad]

Any suggestions on good speakers (in budget range,ie <50k) with metal tweeters or non-metal tweeters with non fatiguing sound(not overly bright)as i am considering upgrade of wharfedale speakers. I know it is about pairing and i am using nad amp. Considering focal 706v without audition.

Interestingly , the upgrade decision is triggered by my recent purchase of denon and schiit asshard headphone amp and it has become somewhat difficult to listen to my speakers, which is supposedly laid back.


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[kanwar]

Odd order distortion and distortion in general,phase problems,messed up frequency response,room reflections,raw SPL.

Frequency response and room reflections tend to be the biggest culprits at lower volume levels where speakers are typically within their linear envelope. ELC curves must be factored in.

And of course variables between individuals and in a given individuals mental and physical state over time.

One sane scientific reply not a cable related BS crap which i often read

 

[soundnovice]

It won't directly make a system warm or bright, but suppose if a system is already audibly bright or warm, putting bright on bright and warm on warm will push it further to an extreme that may not be acceptable. Which is why we use the word synergy to represent how each components match up.

Here are some facts

copper = warm
silver = detailed

multistrand coppper = bright
single core copper = warmer

multistrand silver = very bright
Solid core silver = bright

Hyperlitz single core configuration = low distortion / warmer compared to regular multistrand shielded configuration cables.


For brighter sound look for one or more of these
- Silver based cable (significant factor to establish brighter sound)
- Multi-strand cable (significant factor to establish brighter sound)
- Regular termination
- WBT nextgen termination
- Silver based termination
- High capacitance

For darker sound look for one or more of these
- Copper based cable (significant factor to establish dark sound)
- single core cable in hyperlitz configuration (3 solid cores twisted around each other)
- Eichmann / ETI Bullet termination (significant factor to establish dark sound)
- Copper based termination
- Very low capacitance

really!!!?
how about sound of platinum and rusted iron wires?
is there any proof of such claim that different types of interconnects can change the sound to the extent that our ears can detect the change in sound signature or quality !!!?

 

[corElement]

really!!!?
how about sound of platinum and rusted iron wires?
is there any proof of such claim that different types of interconnects can change the sound to the extent that our ears can detect the change in sound signature or quality !!!?

What about sound of platinum and rusted iron wires? Well for one, only a fool would use platinum and iron considering they're bad conductors compared to copper and silver.
And proof that interconnects change sound is first hand witnesses (including myself) on this forum and thousands of other people around the world.
Do you own hands on comparisons between different configurations of interconnects to see the difference.

I've heard oxidized copper and fresh copper back to back, they are nowhere similar and the difference is 100% audible.

Similarly my own speakers are unbearable to listen to on FM Avidyarthy's interconnect, while his speakers were half dead on mine. One was a multistrand copper IC with MX terminations, the other 3x solid core litz config with ETI bullet terminations. The sound was completely different from both.

If anyone has tried multiple IC comparisons and found no difference, then the equipment in question fails in transparency.

What more proof does one need?

 

[soundnovice]

There's first hand witnesses (including myself).
And reviews all across this forum and others over the internet.

My own speakers are unbearable to listen to on FM Avidyarthy's interconnect, while his speakers were half dead on mine. That was proof enough for Avidyarthy & me.

what about the other components in the chain!? amplifiers, preamps, source...those don't have any effect on the sound?
i think it should be possible to remove whatever brightness or harshness with proper design of box, xover and especially component quality used in xovers...experts in the forum should be able to explain this in detail...i believe interconnects and connectors can possibly contribute not more than 5% in deciding sound quality/signature....