Hello Everybody

Hello,

I have just ordered wharfedale 9.6. Which is due today are tommrrow.

I changed my plans of polk monitor 70 to wf.9.6.

I listen to lot of rock (old age and occasionaly new age) and classical.

Is the wf 9.6 that bad. I am little worried. Not that I like boom.

I have started upgrading with 9.6 as base.

Some thoughts if someone can tell me

:confused:
 
Hello,

I have just ordered wharfedale 9.6. Which is due today are tommrrow.

I changed my plans of polk monitor 70 to wf.9.6.

I listen to lot of rock (old age and occasionaly new age) and classical.

Is the wf 9.6 that bad. I am little worried. Not that I like boom.

I have started upgrading with 9.6 as base.

Some thoughts if someone can tell me

:confused:

Pradski,

Please relax. The Wharfedale 9.6 is an excellent speaker. You will not have any issues with it.

Vidhu has special requirements where he wants very heavy base as they deliver in rock concerts. As I mentioned above, none of these speakers can deliver that kind of low frequency. You need special drivers for that.

The Wharfedales will deliver good base, give you excellent sound stage, and deliver movie sound very crisply and accurately. Believe me, you will not regret it, and will smile very broadly when you hear it at home.

Cheers
 
Thanks venkat,

for a moment I was worried.

Because he wanted good mid range.

And I was thinking this was really good in mid range and the low we want in rock.

When I heard this speaker along with B& W (which the dealer had along side, it was really good<B & W was 99k>:. no boom. After that I saw jamo and klipsch and came back to wf i chose this. You know I got worried because this is a life time investment and it takes another half decade to upgrade)::D
And I trust you venkat you can't be wrong in Wharfedale it is your territory.
 
Dear Pradski

I think Venkat has also got me wrong. I never mentioned that the 9.6 was deficient in the bass dept. I wanted detailed mid-range which does not get drowned or overwhelmed by the bass. The sound I expect is like this " The snare drum has to sound like a snare not rounded off and the cymbals have to sound like what they are supposed to sound. They are never rounded off in a live concert atmospehere (there is nothing sweet about about the sound in a concert-it is "bright" and the "mids" are in one's face and the "bass" is akin to being kicked in the stomach. One feels the bass as much as hears it.)

I think I have figured out why, the 9.6 has a tiny (5 cm) midrange which handles everything from 1 KHz - 6K and anything upwards is handled by the tweeter and a 20 cm Kevlar cone mid range in a sealed unit which is supposed to handle frequencies from 150 Hz to 1 KHz.
The problem is two fold
1. the crossover frequencies are 150Hz, 1.0kHz, 6.0kHz.
2. the upper mid where all the snare's sharpness and a cymbal's crash comes into play, is handled by a tiny dome mid-range speaker.
No wonder the mid gets drowned/rounded.

I am gonna start primarily looking for the crossover freq first and then look at the size of the mid-range speaker doing duty. (My ideal mid-range speaker will consist of 2 mid range drivers one which will handle lower mids from 150-200 Hz to 800-850 Hz and the upper mid range speaker will handle freqs from 850-900 Hz and cut off at 5-6 KHz).
The wharfedales will do well if I can get someone to redo the crossover, which may not be advisable as good crossovers are difficult to come by and i would ended up ruining the existing ones, but I am hopeful that this should solve my problem.

If it is any consolation for a prospective buyer. Let me give you a review which will sound like what most audiophile reviews pompous and quite inaccurate". Always read between the lines. (I have underlined all words & phrases, where you should raed between)
"Tuneful, well extended bass flows smoothly into the clear, detailed midrange, which in turn makes a seamless transition to the fast, smooth treble. Wide bandwidth is the preserve of expensive speakers and the 9.6 is no exception with gentle roll-off at both ends of the spectrum. The overall result is a well-balanced, coherent sound that makes listening a pleasurable experience (Hard rock/Heavy Metal is not for the silky smooth sound lovers).

The soundstage extends well beyond the physical positioning of the speakers when used with quality ancillaries (I fully agree with). Images are well presented with realistic width and height, a slight lack of depth is the only shortfall. Transparency is very good over the front half of the stage, diminishing as you look further back which is par for course. Dynamics are well reproduced, initial transients possessing good snap without overhang. Detail is good enough to let you hear most of the recording.

The overall result is a well balanced (perhaps), coherent sounding speaker that makes listening a pleasurable experience.

So all the best. By the way, let us not even try to expect the sound that a B&W 803 churns out with that of a 9.6. I do not know which B&W you heard. the 800 series is the flagship. Take a look at the mid range drivers and you will know what i was driving on about.
 
Vidhu,

Thank you very much for the very detailed explanation.

At the same time my knowledge is very low comparatively. I am in the learning stage.

And you know this afternoon i got my 9.6.
I set them up and drove with my yamaha v 450. They sounded little low.

That means my old yamaha towers ns 8390 were sounding good. I remember them sounding like metal box when they had arrived. (yam).

I had to increase vol for wf. But they were sounding little decent in low volumes which I want.
You know the reason we can't listen in high volume is the one we don't listen to music.
That is why if ever they can sound the best in lowest volume I think they are good ( atleast for me).
Others in the house would not mind.
I cannot go in to more detail in terms of physics because I got little patience. So I skip it and get the basic terms.




I will keep this posted when i get my receiver which I am planning with new cables and everything.

Thanks for your time.
 
....And you know this afternoon i got my 9.6....I will keep this posted when i get my receiver which I am planning with new cables and everything.

Congrats mate! The Diamond 9.6 is indeed a very nice speaker, and am sure you would have picked it up after through auditioning and listening sessions. So if you had liked the way it sounded all though out those sessions, there is no need for second thoughts now.

http://www.avguide.com/file-download?review=1746
AudioEnz - Wharfedale Diamond 9.6


Enjoy your new procession and update us on how it is evolving over time.

Cheers.
 
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Thanks Unleash.

Before I could audition I went through the forum and got an idea. In fact Venkat had suggested WF. I liked it. I would like to thank everybody in this forum for this journey I have started.
 
Dear Pradski
I think Venkat has also got me wrong. I never mentioned that the 9.6 was deficient in the bass dept. I wanted detailed mid-range which does not get drowned or overwhelmed by the bass. The sound I expect is like this " The snare drum has to sound like a snare not rounded off and the cymbals have to sound like what they are supposed to sound. They are never rounded off in a live concert atmospehere (there is nothing sweet about about the sound in a concert-it is "bright" and the "mids" are in one's face and the "bass" is akin to being kicked in the stomach. One feels the bass as much as hears it.)

I think I have figured out why, the 9.6 has a tiny (5 cm) midrange which handles everything from 1 KHz - 6K and anything upwards is handled by the tweeter and a 20 cm Kevlar cone mid range in a sealed unit which is supposed to handle frequencies from 150 Hz to 1 KHz.
The problem is two fold
1. the crossover frequencies are 150Hz, 1.0kHz, 6.0kHz.
2. the upper mid where all the snare's sharpness and a cymbal's crash comes into play, is handled by a tiny dome mid-range speaker.
No wonder the mid gets drowned/rounded.

Vidhu:

I do not listen too much to hard rock. My furthest entry into hard rock has been Pink Floyd.

At the same time I listen a lot to Western Classicals and fusion. Though the Wharfedale can never come near a B&W 800, the reason I like them are:

  • good rendition of low frequencies without annoying boom or echo
  • very good clarity across all frequencies
  • the capacity to handle complicated music
  • lack of stress on the ears

I liked the Wharfedales for exactly the same reason that you do not like them.

Technically what you say is correct. It is possible the Wharfedales cannot handle hard rock or very high amplification. If possible, I would request you to try a different CDP. The reason I am saying this because I listened to Jamos (606 and 718) today played on a 5001, and both speakers came across as very muddled. I just want to see if the CDP could be isolated as an issue.

Cheers
 
Venkat,

I agree with you on the following

. good rendition of low frequencies without annoying boom or echo ( I will add to it-Great soundstage too)
. lack of stress on the ears
(It's upper midrange is cut-off at 6 Khz and the lower end is at 1KHz, whereas the Lower midrange is handled by a much larger speaker with a crossover starting at 150 HZ (which is already into the low frequency/bass spectrum) thus it will obviously kill anything coming out of the tiny dome midrange which handles the upper frequencies and hence the smooth and silky resultant).
The woofer handles everything below 150 Hz and hence it is almost doing the job of a sub-woofer. This is why one hears the smooth bass.

Disagreement:
. very good clarity across all frequencies (that is why I am complaining)
. the capacity to handle complicated music
(For eg:Yngwie Malmsteen's "Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra" (this is orchestral music (performed by The Czech Philharmonic) which happens to have an electric guitar as its solo instrument, unlike Metallica or Deep Purple which played with orchestral accompaniment).
Complicated music is not the forte of Jazz or Classical music. check out ELP, Yes, Kansas, Dream Theater, Fate's Warning, Queensryche etc and you will understand.

Wharfedale 9.6 is capable of handling power from 40 - 200W at 6 ohms, so it is capable of handling power. But the Rotel is a monster which churns out 200W per channel at 8 ohms at 0.03% THD. It still handles it.
My complaint is only about its mid-range delivery, which is my personal problem and possibly anybody who is interested in HR/HM. By the way i suggest you audition the B&W 803 or 804. They are too good, expensive and are power mongers, but take your CDs with you, it is a treat to listen. It plays classical and anything you throw at it with aplomb.I wish I had enough money to buy them.

Overall, the 9.6 are very good at the price range it comes at and if that is what people go by (I am sure the price is a major consideration).
But the problem is that we may not have listened other brands (Klipsch, Polks, Dynaudios, B&Ws etc) driven by the same amplifier. Then we will know if the source is the cause. In my opinion, any CD/DVD player with an Audio DAC at 24 bits and 192 KHz will play very well and the difference in quality is negligible.
 
Dear pradski,

I hope you will be satisfied with your purchase. But if you are a critical listener, then you would be disappointed. I know this advice comes a little bit late as I am a new comer to the forum myself, nevertheless, i thought you should know this.

There are a few thumb rules to buying any kind of audio equipment.

1. The most important: Music is an intensely personal medium. It is not just bits of data to be decoded and relayed, instead it??s human, touching, evocative and, above all, emotional. That??s why each of us reacts to it in different ways, both in terms of musical taste and sonic preference. That??s why there??s no such thing as the ??wrong?? kind of music for hi-fi listening. If you like it, then it??s right. Simple. No matter what the equipment.

2. The first and most crucial element is deciding on a budget. That is essentially a personal issue but be aware that certain other factors should be considered when deciding how much you should spend and what you should spend it on. For example, your room has a fundamental impact on the type of system you should get. Larger rooms tend to require larger loudspeakers, which in turn merit better amplification to deliver satisfactory results. Similarly, if your listening space is small, you could find that larger speakers are simply inappropriate for your needs. Specialist audio magazines and independent reviews can be an invaluable source of advice here, but you should also try to be as realistic as possible about your needs.

Before you begin any in-depth research, the first step is to list the music sources you would like to listen to. This will fundamentally impact the performance and balance of the hi-fi system you plan to build. If you opt for fewer source components, you'll be able to spend more of your available budget on each element, thus ensuring better performance for your money. Opting for a system that includes a record player, a CD player and a radio inevitably means splitting your total source component budget three ways, which in turn means less chance of high-quality results. Unless, of course, you can afford to lavish equal sums on premium components straight away. If, on the other hand, you're prepared to build your system in gradual stages you stand a better chance of creating a set-up that has solid sonic foundations.
To that end, consider investing about one-third of your budget on your principal source, which for most music lovers will probably be a CD player.

The next key element in your system is amplification and this also involves some forethought. If you plan to listen at high volumes in a large room, possibly via some of our larger floorstanding speakers, it's sensible to budget for an amplifier with ample reserves of power. Unfortunately, power is one of the most commonly misunderstood measures of quality in hi-fi, and watts while important do not dictate performance alone. For example, a fine budget hi-fi amplifier, with a mere 40 watts of output per channel, is easily capable of very substantial volume levels with most of the speakers. If, however, you want to use some of the larger designs, you'll have to plan for better-quality hence, more expensive, amplification.
Again, around one-third of your available budget should be invested in amplification.

That leaves loudspeakers, again a broad one third rule of budgeting applies. You've more choice over design in this category than in any other, loudspeakers are available in sizes both large and small, with aesthetics both traditional and modern. In general, larger speakers produce bigger, deeper sounds than their smaller siblings.
But if you opt for high-performance compact designs, that delineation is less clear-cut. Speakers of this quality can produce bass levels that simulate many larger, less alternatives, especially for rooms where space is at a premium.

3. The basic points are these: while judging a product on its brand name the quality of the demonstration or even on the strengths of reviews, can be a useful way to narrow down your options, in the end, only you can decide whether the equipment is right for you. That's partially because personal preferences have a huge part to play in the listening experience, but it's also because hi-fi components interact with each other in a remarkably organic way. Combine three well-reviewed components in a system that should, in theory, be fantastic and you could well find that the results disappoint. Ancillary components, such as interconnects, cables and speaker placement, can make a difference in this regard, but it's the intrinsic sonic properties of each core component that have the biggest impact.

While the best way to judge if a system will meet your needs is to hear it correctly set-up in a dedicated listening environment, always be mindful of the size of your own listening space before buying. And always insist on being able to listen using your own music at the sort of volume you are likely to use at home and with components which you have short-listed.

This text is drafted from B&Ws buying advice.
 
Venkat,
Overall, the 9.6 are very good at the price range it comes at and if that is what people go by (I am sure the price is a major consideration).
But the problem is that we may not have listened other brands (Klipsch, Polks, Dynaudios, B&Ws etc) driven by the same amplifier. Then we will know if the source is the cause. In my opinion, any CD/DVD player with an Audio DAC at 24 bits and 192 KHz will play very well and the difference in quality is negligible.

I have heard the 800 series many times, and as I said, they are a class apart. My dream is to have a pair for my music system. I am not sure if and when I can afford them. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I have heard the Dynaudios' bookshelf and they are undoubtedly good. I have heard Klipsch and Polks. I do not have too many comments about these. I heard the Jamo a long time ago, and recently yesterday. Please read my review (very subjective though) at the following link:

http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/1952-floorstanders-marantz-amp-3.html

It was this review that prompted me to request you to try another CDP.

I have also heard a lot of unknown (in India) brands such as Aperion Audio, etc. They originally introduced the DiAural Crossover system, and have recently introduced a new crossover technology they call HDX3. When I heard the Aperion's in Portland powered by a Parasound Pre/Pro, I immediately picked up a pair and brought them home. They are now doing double duty for me in my bedroom.

Yes, you are right. Price is always a consideration. And we all look for the best within a price band that we set for ourselves.

I will, form now, on carry one of the albums you have mentioned to 'complete' my audition.

Cheers
 
Thank you vidhu. YOu know i am trying to build with lot of inputs from fellow members.

Looks like you are going to enjoy this forum.

I warn you, you will be spending lot of time in here and you may get addicted.

There are lot of seniors in here of elite class. You will be joining them and interacting.

You are still in introduction thread. Many of your our seniors may have not visited this thread.

If you can participate other threads with your interests it will be real treat to read for lot of us members.


Thank you.:cool:
 
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