Help!!! Bought Warfdale diamond 9.5 speakers

jay.vyas84

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Hi Members,

I just bought a pair of Warfdale diamond 9.5 speakers to pair with my Onkyo SR608 amp. The output of the speakers is not at all comparable to what I heard at the showroom. Both loudness and clarity seems to be compromised big time. I am using local wire to connect my speakers to the amplifier. Could this be an issue? If yes, what rating of wire should I use to connect my speakers.

Is there anything else I need to be looking at?

Thanks in advance for the inputs.

Regards,
Jay
 
I suggest that you do a quick check on the polarity of the speaker connections, lack of loudness and other symptoms could be due to this.

After this you can try using proper speaker cables.
 
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I own a pair of Diamond 9.2 speakers and i can firmly say that Diamonds need fair amount of power to bring the best out of them.

BTW what was the amplifier / receiver that was used in the showroom.
 
please check for polarity of speakers as pointed out earlier...in addition use atleast 16 awg (ofc) @ 100/- INR / metre speaker cable of a reputed brand (thicker the better)...try and drive the speakers in direct/2 ch/stereo mode...how are you connecting the source to AVR (RCA - RCA) ?

speakers will sound a little more smooth and refined after break-in period but not sure whether they'll sound louder or will get any SLAM...maybe experts can chip in with this regard.

also, were the auditions done in a treated room ? as that can make a big difference...

If nothing works, then get the pair inspected...all the best !
 
Make Sure cables are properly connected and you have quality oxygen free speaker cable (Prefereably 16/18 gauge) , SR608 is 100 Watt per channel @ 8ohms .... I think it should be able to drive them pretty well if not upto the peak.

Diamond 9.5 need some good juice to run but still SR608 should not result in a compromise.
 
Hi,

Congrats on your purchase.I was powering 9.5 with onkyo 506, but performance was very good..Now switched to Denon 2310, perfect!!!!
Try changing the wires also.
 
Thanks a lot for all the responses.

The AVR used in auditioning was not Onkyo 608. Also, in the a different showroom the volume of SR608 at 41 (speakers auditioned Jamo, Klipsh, Elac) at 41 level was filling the entire hall. In my room (smaller) it fills up after the volume is around 60 levels.

I have connected the AVR to TataSky+ via a coaxial cable, Connected my PC (creative sound blaster) via an Optical cable. Hence, dont suspect these to be an issue.

The funny thing is after I played the songs on the speaker for around an hour.. the sound now seems to be better... Not sure why!! Its still not the best that I would expect. I will be getting a branded cable as suggested and check if this improves the quality.

The polarity is correct.

Thanks again for all the inputs.

Jay..
 
Thanks a lot for all the responses.

The AVR used in auditioning was not Onkyo 608. Also, in the a different showroom the volume of SR608 at 41 (speakers auditioned Jamo, Klipsh, Elac) at 41 level was filling the entire hall. In my room (smaller) it fills up after the volume is around 60 levels.

I have connected the AVR to TataSky+ via a coaxial cable, Connected my PC (creative sound blaster) via an Optical cable. Hence, dont suspect these to be an issue.

The funny thing is after I played the songs on the speaker for around an hour.. the sound now seems to be better... Not sure why!! Its still not the best that I would expect. I will be getting a branded cable as suggested and check if this improves the quality.

The polarity is correct.

Thanks again for all the inputs.

Jay..
very true. they are Breaking-In and would improve considerably after some period. Moreover while buying a setup always play speaker+AVR combo to get an idea because the effect is diff in diff combo
 
@ Jay, I too have connected Tata sky HD to AVR (yamaha) I dont get neither the quality or the quantity of sound this way....but when I switch it to my source CDP (denon) its a different league altogether...hope you were not comparing the SQ between a STB to something like playing music via DVP/CDP ?
 
Thanks Piyush.. Did a little research about "breaking in" and looks like that is an issue.

Akki.. the quality of sound is digital from TataSky and Onkyo is doing a good job.

I will now get a nice wire to connect my speakers to the amp!!
 
Don't worry mate ..... It'll be fixed.

Diamond 9.5 is quality stuff and usually does not have hardware issues. These sets go thru rigorous QC checks. In worst case they would be replaced but I doubt it can be a hardware issue with both of them at the same time.

Get cables replaced with heavy 18 gauge one's and then give it a shot and let us know the performance. Also make sure that your receiver has Front Spekaers set as "Large" so that they receive full power & switch off the Sub :-)
 
Jay,

What is your source? Have you selected fronts as large speakers in your 608, did you run the audessey setup ?

Not sure what local cables are you using, if you have budget go for some good quality speaker cables like chord carnival or usher rapport brand.

You may not find great output from dth source , If PC is your source for music get a good USB DAC or a Sound card for the PC. Sure you will see lot of improvement in the sound quality. Try play more lossless audio.

HTH
Kittu
 
Jay,

am from bangalore too and i am planning to pick up the wharfs 9.5. Pls let me know from where you auditioned and how much did u pay for them.

thanks,
Vince
 
To get the best out of it, Put them in stereo mode, turn on music optimizer, Run Audyssey room calibration and use the good quality cable. This should resolve the issue and you will find out huge difference.
 
Thanks Guys. I will be picking up a good cable this weekend.

I have a creative sound blaster in my PC and source to the Amp is opical cable. The sound is much better now and I think this is due to the "burn In" mentinoned here.

However, I am still curious to use some quality cable to see if the output is better.

I have large speakers selected in the Amp. I didnt run the Audyssey room calibration. Not sure if it would make a big difference but will run it (also cause i dont know how to run it but will check the manual).

I picked them from Vector at 25.5k.

I will put my reviews after using a good cable. Thanks for all the help so far!!!

Feels good to see so many experienced members pitching in for help.

Regards,
Jay
 
I just bought a pair of Warfdale diamond 9.5 speakers to pair with my Onkyo SR608 amp. The output of the speakers is not at all comparable to what I heard at the showroom.

The AVR used in auditioning was not Onkyo 608. Also, in the a different showroom the volume of SR608 at 41 (speakers auditioned Jamo, Klipsh, Elac) at 41 level was filling the entire hall. In my room (smaller) it fills up after the volume is around 60 levels.
Seriously, what do you expect??? You cant compare one speaker to another and expect the same output :rolleyes:. Moreover you used a different amplifier & more importantly different acoustic environments now. Dont bother trying to buy some expensive cables, this makes very little difference. Unless you are using completely useless cables or running very long lengths (longer the length - a better guage is required). You should do fine with stuff like this. If you listen to someone who is totally engrossed into stuff, at some point in time, they tend to loose sense of reality & recommend whatever possible and what he thinks matters.
The stuff that matters most & can be easily heard is - speakers (Which you have experienced I believe :)). Second is room acoustics. Third is amplifier (Not much of a difference if driven with an appropriate one, in and around same price range). Far behind all these are cables, and plugs which almost make no difference!! Read the audio critic online! Blind tests have caught such myths pants down. Don't get sucked in by such stuff.

If you want a *loud* speaker, then you should consider one loaded with a horn driver ;). Moreover why are you complaining? You can safely push your amplifier from 40 to 80. Which is increase in 40 dB, 4 times louder than at 40, which happens to be very loud.
My guess is, nothing is wrong with your amp or the loudness levels! At 40 I dont know how much can it really *fill your room* :) This must be about 40 dB from reference levels - ~60dB. Plus acoustics are different.

What you should check is if all connections are done right. Then check if you have run Audyssey like someone mentioned. This makes significant difference to sound, it sets acoustics right to some extent.

Do note, loudness is highly depended on source material. Some source are recorded at 10-20 dB below some other source. Hence at same volume different materials can be loud to different levels!! One recorded cd can have one sound level and another cd a totally different level.
Also like Kittu had mentioned, the source itself could be of poor quality! Anything above 192 kbps most ears wont notice, some will claim they notice even if they cant.

very true. they are Breaking-In and would improve considerably after some period.
There is no such thing as speaker break in. This is a complete myth running all over this industry. Even some reputed manufacturers claim speaker break in. Read the Audio Critic online, highly reliable source.
If your speaker dosent sound good on day one it wont sound good after 30 days or even 60. what could happen thou is, your ears get used to the speakers, which is very very common. Until you compare side by side to another better one, which changes things in an instant :)

Moreover while buying a setup always play speaker+AVR combo to get an idea because the effect is diff in diff combo
The only reason why they seem to sound different is not because AVR's have a signature, but because it is the speakers which is driving the amp. By this I mean, some speakers require more current/power than some other speakers. Some speakers suck in power at the low bass frequencies. Hence it seems like AVR's have a signature. Truth is, when u buy an AVR, manufacturers compromise quality and sell them with more features and you get the likes of 1911 & 608. But, while this works for some speakers, when it comes to some other speakers which require more power, they wont have the capacity to drive them, & you would need to *power them better*. And hence the AVR's seem to sound different. Analyzing the speaker measurements can tell you if they require a better amp or not even before you connect and listen! :)
 
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