HT upgrade recommendations

Someone from chennai was selling boxed revel performa3 f206 on olx for 1L. if you are interested you can look for that too.

As per reviews on interenet, they are superb towers and I feel theu could a good contender in your list.
 
Someone from chennai was selling boxed revel performa3 f206 on olx for 1L. if you are interested you can look for that too.

As per reviews on interenet, they are superb towers and I feel theu could a good contender in your list.

The price seems to be too good to be true. They retail for around 3L a pair not sure how the seller is selling for that low a price
 
The price seems to be too good to be true. They retail for around 3L a pair not sure how the seller is selling for that low a price
they are 1.8L on hifimart and the parity that i saw in online and offline price in my recent purchases, I wont be surprised if this 1L prices comes out to be true. We have many FM from chennai, so, if you are interested, may be someone can go to that location amd check it for you.
 
@fLUX
Nice summary of your audition trail. It will be very helpful for prospective speaker buyers.
If you do narrow on KEF house sound, do give R3 and Q950 a serious listen again.
I understand that you are gunning for FS in the listening space identified.
But the R3 does bass integration better than the Q series.

I had listened to the Q series FS (earlier version).
My impression was that on fast paced drum tracks Q series suffers from timing issues.
The ABRs do not do justice to some genres of music or tracks.
This may have been addressed in the series refresh, but do give the R3 a serious listen.
SPL wise the difference is 3dB on min and max.

Cheers,
Raghu
 
Last edited:
they are 1.8L on hifimart and the parity that i saw in online and offline price in my recent purchases, I wont be surprised if this 1L prices comes out to be true. We have many FM from chennai, so, if you are interested, may be someone can go to that location amd check it for you.

They are 1.86 L per piece , even I had got confused at first.
@fLUX
Nice summary of your audition trail. It will be very helpful for prospective speaker buyers.
If you do narrow on KEF house sound, do give R3 and Q950 a serious listen again.
I understand that you are gunning for FS in the listening space identified.
But the R3 does bass integration better than the Q series.

I had listened to the Q series FS (earlier version).
My impression was that on fast paced drum tracks Q series suffers from timing issues.
The ABRs do not do justice to some genres of music or tracks.
This may have been addressed in the series refresh, but do give the R3 a serious listen.
SPL wise the difference is 3dB on min and max.

Cheers,
Raghu


Thanks Raghu. I did not play any drum heavy track but the drum sequence in Hotel California sounded equally blissful on both Q950 and R3.
I totally loved the R3 but If I get the R3 I will be questioned as to why an upgrade was needed in the first place as all bookshelfs are the same in their perspective.

I think SPL wise both would be more than sufficient for my room as my room is slightly smaller than the Demo room and the R3/Q950 were sufficiently loud. Plan is when i have the budget, probably sometime next year i will sell my Emit M20 and get a Kef R3 instead. They would be likely placed on the rear side of the room and would be always connected to a Pre/Power combo for dedicated music and at other times perform duties as surround , that way would end up having all Kef HT setup and a dedicated bookshelf setup for any critical listening i would be doing. Although very unlikely, gives the opportunity to wait for any used R3/R300 units to popup at a better price.

The Kef R5 unfortunately has a huge price spike over the Q950 unlike in US where i guess selling prices differ by only 30-40k between the 2 models.
 
<snip>
Thanks Raghu. I did not play any drum heavy track but the drum sequence in Hotel California sounded equally blissful on both Q950 and R3.
I totally loved the R3 but If I get the R3 I will be questioned as to why an upgrade was needed in the first place as all bookshelfs are the same in their perspective.
<snip>
If you listen to bands like Led Zeppelin or The Who, many tracks have really good drumming.
Not heavy, but really fast paced, textured and quite complex.

Whose perspective is this?
"All bookshelves are the same, but the books themselves are different ;)"

Cheers,
Raghu
 
If you listen to bands like Led Zeppelin or The Who, many tracks have really good drumming.
Not heavy, but really fast paced, textured and quite complex.

Whose perspective is this?
"All bookshelves are the same, but the books themselves are different ;)"

Cheers,
Raghu


Goes without saying my beloved "wife" and "parents" :D
 
If you listen to bands like Led Zeppelin or The Who, many tracks have really good drumming.
Not heavy, but really fast paced, textured and quite complex.

Whose perspective is this?
"All bookshelves are the same, but the books themselves are different ;)"

Cheers,
Raghu

I listen to most of the genres excluding Heavy Metal although i like few AC/DC songs but then who doesnt :).
 
Last edited:
@DB1989 I went by bike so could not unfortunately do the same. But i have heard a similar set of songs across most of the speakers so memory wise i have based my findings.

Have written a brief description about the same (all speakers were tried on stereo mode with sub turned off). For most of my listening i used the following songs unless mentioned otherwise ( Jiya Jale from Dil Se , Hotel California (2013 Remastered Version) , Beat It by Michael Jackson , Sawali Si Raat from Barfi, Raah Piya )

i) Dynaudio Emit M20 - This is my reference at home currently. They were driven out of my Denon X4500H AVR without subwoofer and obviously in an untreated room. I found the mids to be on par or better than most of the speaker I have listened to and overall signature is slightly laidback.
I listened to "Keith Dont Go" and i found the M20 dont really do justice to the guitar sequence towards the 3rd part of the song , the decay of the guitar string is not evident in the M20s

ii) XTZ Spirit 11 Towers - These were the first pair I demoed. This has a slighlty warmish signature with good lows ,mids were clear,lush and the highs seemed little rolled off. The lows were tight but quantity was slightly lacking. These have an option via a jumper on the back to set the highs t 0/-3 DB configuration as per your preference. Listened to this in a partially treated room. This was played on Marantz SR7013

iii) XTZ 95.44 Towers - I enjoyed listening to these as they were engergetic and at the same time not very bright. The mids were slightly forward, lows were tight and punchy with a good amount of quantity. Jiya Jale , Beat It and Hotel California sounded really nice with this setup with nice staging and instrument seperation. This was present in the untreated section of the showroom. This was played on a Marantz M-CR412

iv) Sonodyne Avant T2 - This was in a room which was well treated with bass traps, diffusers & absorbers setup. In terms of the listening experience. The listening experience was in a different dimension. It actually felt like i was in a concert with pinpoint stereo imaging and instrument seperation with perceptible depth. The bass seemed to be severely less on these pair but everything else sounded top notch. A must try pair for anyone looking for FS under 1L. his was played on a Denon X4500H connected to Emotiva XPA-2

v) Focal Chorus 726 - No one really attended in person, they were busy with another customer.They were playing demo content so could not play my songs. Listened to "Jiya Jale" , "Sultans of Swings" and some random songs. Was not really impressed with the vocals part of "Jiya Jale" and the guitar reproduction of "Sultans of Swings" on the Chorus 726 and found the Qacoustics 3050i which they were demoing to another customer to be better for the same songs. The random songs which i dont really remember the names of had good bass and soundstage & instrument seperation on the Focal Chorus 726. So this might just be a case of not having a right setup (they had some old Denon AVR not sure of the model) and also hurrying up which kind of distorted the experience , but overall did not like this a lot.

vi) Kef Q950 - I first played "Jiya Jale" on this pair and was not immediately attached to the music. After finishing this song the moment i played "Hotel California" it just took center stage and took control of the song immediately (there is a drum sequence at around 3.53 which was eargasmic on these pairs) ,the bass was really top notch amongst all the FS i heard till now, plenty of details with pinpoint imaging and a wide soundstage. I did not find the treble to be bright but was really musical. "Sawali Si Raat" has a nice rendition of punchy bass in between the songs and also a sound of chimes moving along , this was best rendered by Kef Q950 followed by XTZ 95.44. "Beat It" also has a sound like a firecracket rocket launch at start of the song and that also was really well rendered. This was played on a Denon X4500H

vii) Kef Q750 - Tried this after trying the Q950 and could clearly make out the Q950 was the better pair. Q750 has much lesser quantity of bass , is not as energetic as the KEF Q950 overall but otherwise similar in the overall presentation. This also was tried with the X4500H , did not give much of a further listen due to the above

viii) Kef R3 - This is one hell of a powerhouse for the size. Anytime i decide to replace one of my bookshelf , this is going to be the number one choice if budget permits. Did everything much better than the Kef Q950 , had almost a similar quantity of bass as the Q950 and was even more tighter and much more musical. These cost about 30k more than the Kef Q950s, but considering the fact that i want to keep a FS in the room i will have to let go of this pair.

ix) Klipsch RP/R Series 4000/6000/8000 - The lows on the series were really tight and humongous on quantity ,overall imaging was precise with good detail seperation. I was impressed with the RP-4000 for the power they pack at such a small size but the Klipsch were overly bright to my tastes and my ears were slightly hurting after 4-5 minutes of listening to Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing ( can be due to the fact that i demoed so many speakers before reaching to this showroom). Then they played live version of "Hotel California" and the starting bass was thumping and super tight, but again the instruments were sounding sharp to my ears. Did not Do not ask them the amp they were using to run these and they were playing these songs of CDs. One thing i liked about this demo was they were switching between different speakers in a jiffy using a switch and placing placeholders to show which speaker was playing , which is sometimes useful for a quick audition if you dont have a particular speaker shortlisted already.

x) Focal Aria 926 - A FM was kind enough to accomodate me to demo the Focal Aria 926 and i played a plethora of songs on these. These are clearly better than the Q950 on the highs and the guitar reproduction is top drawer and is making me not enjoy "Keith Dont Go" on my Dynaudio M20s anymore. You can literally feel the guitarist plucking the string along with the vibrations and string decay. Noticed the same in "Hotel California" as well where it outdid the Kef Q950 in the treble department. The lows were not as much as the Q950/R3 in quantity
Only reason i am still not wanting to go for these speakers is the increased price and the need to invest in a much better chain (parasound/hegel etc.) to get them to sing.

Overall was a nice weekend where i got to try out many floorstanders and shortlist a few. Saving up to get a LR Towers, matching Center & Poweramp as a part of this purchase.

I would still love to audition the Revel F35/F36 and Tannoy XT8F if available anywhere. Any guidance would be appreciated on the same.
That's some valuable experience you got there with so many auditions. Eagerly waiting to see your final choice :)
 
I have finally decided to go ahead with a Focal setup. Going for a Focal Aria 926 & CC 900 for center. Thanks for your help guys, need one more help now.

The Qacoustic fronts & center are being moved to living room. I cannot keep stands in the living room and the TV Unit is quiet low , what would be a good thing to raise the heights , googled a lot but could not find anything made of wood on which i can perch the speakers (plastic stands are a strict no else would have gone for ISOAcoustics)
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20200910-181302_Gallery.jpg
    Screenshot_20200910-181302_Gallery.jpg
    613.4 KB · Views: 73
Last edited:
I have finally decided to go ahead with a Focal setup. Going for a Focal Aria 926 & CC 900 for center. Thanks for your help guys, need one more help now.

The Qacoustic fronts & center are being moved to living room. I cannot keep stands in the living room and the TV Unit is quiet low , what would be a good thing to raise the heights , googled a lot but could not find anything made of wood on which i can perch the speakers (plastic stands are a strict no else would have gone for ISOAcoustics)
Nice!! Have a good time on Focals.
How much elevation do you need?
If it is less than 8", you'll get nice chrome legs or even wooden legs that are used for furniture.
usually comes in 2/3/4/6/8 inch. Add a solid wood platform on top and you can get something aesthetic too.

Edit:
Check the sub platform on the right

Cheers,
Raghu
 
Nice!! Have a good time on Focals.
How much elevation do you need?
If it is less than 8", you'll get nice chrome legs or even wooden legs that are used for furniture.
usually comes in 2/3/4/6/8 inch. Add a solid wood platform on top and you can get something aesthetic too.

Cheers,
Raghu

Thanks Raghu. It would be less than 8 inch, around 6.5 inches to be accurate. Any carpenter would be able to help me with that i guess right ?
 
Thanks Raghu. It would be less than 8 inch, around 6.5 inches to be accurate. Any carpenter would be able to help me with that i guess right ?
Yes. Any carpenter can do it. Go to a store that sells hardware for furniture.
The kind that stocks fancy handles etc.
They should have a decent collection of both chrome and wood turned furniture legs.

Wood top you can choose as per your existing decor (and wood legs).
Check it out. It may just work without getting expensive and complicated.

Edit:
You can actually keep colorful books underneath too :D (if the elevation is about 6-8 inches)

Cheers,
Raghu
 
Yes. Any carpenter can do it. Go to a store that sells hardware for furniture.
The kind that stocks fancy handles etc.
They should have a decent collection of both chrome and wood turned furniture legs.

Wood top you can choose as per your existing decor (and wood legs).
Check it out. It may just work without getting expensive and complicated.

Edit:
You can actually keep colorful books underneath too :D (if the elevation is about 6-8 inches)

Cheers,
Raghu

Worth a shot, currently all books are used in the rear speaker in bedroom, should get freed once Aria arrives.
 
I have finally decided to go ahead with a Focal setup. Going for a Focal Aria 926 & CC 900 for center. Thanks for your help guys, need one more help now.

The Qacoustic fronts & center are being moved to living room. I cannot keep stands in the living room and the TV Unit is quiet low , what would be a good thing to raise the heights , googled a lot but could not find anything made of wood on which i can perch the speakers (plastic stands are a strict no else would have gone for ISOAcoustics)
Congratulations, Focals is a good choice amongst all the options you have discussed ( I have heard most of them), it is from a different segment, other than being offered at a deep discounts currently due to dealer change, it is usually compared to higher segment speakers.

Making Wooden boxes with Spikes underneath is ideally suited for energetic speakers like Focals. The Wooden box needs to be filled with Sand to add required amount of strength and inertia. Other option is getting Steel Platforms custom made to your requirements.
 
For excellent sound that won't break the bank, the 5 Star Award Winning Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 Bookshelf Speakers is the one to consider!
Back
Top