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Not treated bigger space vs a small space treated acoustically?

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Try placing a mat (or Turkish towel) between the equipment and the glass top on the cabinet. See what it does.
@SachinChavan
Hey,
Thanks..can you please let me know what will this help with? or what changes in sound can I expect with this?
Also, just to be sure, I am supposed to keep a towel underneath the amp right? between the amp and the glass?
 

SachinChavan

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@SachinChavan
Hey,
Thanks..can you please let me know what will this help with? or what changes in sound can I expect with this?
Also, just to be sure, I am supposed to keep a towel underneath the amp right? between the amp and the glass?
I take that back. Towel may not be advisable as it might block the heat dissipation. You can try a wooden board (an inch or so thick, like a kitchen chopping board) instead. Check if that reduces the brightness in the sound. Or simply place it on the floor and check.
 
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I take that back. Towel may not be advisable as it might block the heat dissipation. You can try a wooden board (an inch or so thick, like a kitchen chopping board) instead. Check if that reduces the brightness in the sound.
Oh, I get what you're trying to say.
Will definitely give it a try. :)
Thank you!!
 

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Acoustic treatment really makes significant difference. Ihad untreated room for 2 yrs ,later got acoustics done now the same gear sounds different.go for treated room
Hi, can you please elaborate on what treatment you got done - what was your room size like, did you use any branded panels and how much area did you cover. How was the sound different vs untreated room. Thanks
 

girishtd8262

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Hi, can you please elaborate on what treatment you got done - what was your room size like, did you use any branded panels and how much area did you cover. How was the sound different vs untreated room. Thanks
Hi my room size is 18*18 ft.initially for 3 yrs I had thick curtains from roof to floor on 3 walls barring screen side.the sound use to be boomy though it was serving the purpose.
Later I contacted anutone.they are into professional acoustics business .they used their company made wool boards .I got it done on 3 walls and part of screen side .it costed me 300 rs per sq feet about 10 months back.they finished work in 5 days workers stayed in the ht room itself as they had come from Bangalore. This has really made difference in sound quality it's more clearer no boomy echoes.
Floor is wooden flooring Nd ceiling is untreated concrete one.
Total it costed me around 1.68 lakhs
 

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Hi,

If the main concern is room pressure levels, you may be better off with dual sub set up. Bass management is more about managing room modes (the interplay of physics of sound and the room shape) and treatment is more of a facilitator than a solution. If you do go dual sub, you should do a DSP based correction and blending of subs. Bass managed well will give much gains in sound you feel more than you hear while ensuring high resolution and detail .

If you are looking for controlled soundstage and imaging, room treatment can be a great way to control reverbs and reflection points. There is a good write up from GIY Acoustics on room treatments, reflections and diffusion you may want to refer. Room treatment is also a subtle art, you will need to experiment quite a bit/seek professional inputs for finding that fine balance between diffusion and absorption.

Typically larger rooms are easier to manage above mentioned aspects, compared to smaller rooms, especially w.r.t bass management. There isn't a rule of thumb here and will depend on trial and error. As the key to good sound is taming 'room modes', suggest you get a hang of speaker placement, try fundamental room treatment w.r.t reflection and bass trap and then go from there. Easier way - get a mini DSP and tune speakers using PEQ and curves.

Throwing money at the problem is one way to address the problem - the reason why DIRAC integrated products are much more expensive :)

The 'trail and error' method may be time and mind consuming, but in the end more fulfilling endeavour! And if doesn't work, well you can always have a professional step in and work the problem for you ;)
 

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Hi my room size is 18*18 ft.initially for 3 yrs I had thick curtains from roof to floor on 3 walls barring screen side.the sound use to be boomy though it was serving the purpose.
Later I contacted anutone.they are into professional acoustics business .they used their company made wool boards .I got it done on 3 walls and part of screen side .it costed me 300 rs per sq feet about 10 months back.they finished work in 5 days workers stayed in the ht room itself as they had come from Bangalore. This has really made difference in sound quality it's more clearer no boomy echoes.
Floor is wooden flooring Nd ceiling is untreated concrete one.
Total it costed me around 1.68 lakhs
Thanks for that quick and helpful response. I think the take-away for anyone like me on a tighter budget is tons of experimentation before taking the treatment plunge. I have picky ears but having a hard time pulling the trigger on treatment. Your treatment cost more than my gear put together though :)
 

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To cut a "long" story "short" :D

With the short wall early reflections (the more villainous ones) are more prominent than they would be in a long wall set up. By moving the speakers along the long wall you change how the reflections interact with the room. They result is often "better" sound.
Adding to that, I would hazard a guess here - the timing of back reflections and reverbs are also optimised when you go long.... audioholics has a super video on room modes, timing and room treatments talking on this in far more/technical details..
 

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Thanks for that quick and helpful response. I think the take-away for anyone like me on a tighter budget is tons of experimentation before taking the treatment plunge. I have picky ears but having a hard time pulling the trigger on treatment. Your treatment cost more than my gear put together though :)
Yes.. most times its the gear pairing that becomes the control parameter for 'ideal sound', provided you have done your bit to address the room physics..
 

Doomster69

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I sometimes feel my speakers are not able to pressurise the bigger room but having ordered a JL Audio's E110 which I am yet to receive might just make them sound a lot fuller and get the job done.

Also, do better wires really make a difference in sound? Any suggestions on which one to use?
The sub wont do much if your MLP is bang in the null zone of the room... you can counter with DSP correction or dual sub based null compensation

Impact of wires will be subject to your gear pairing/ equipment chain.. they will impact sound in incremental improvements more than absolute terms
 
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