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[square_wave]

Avoid speakers like wharfedale (the mainstream models like diamond) for your purpose. What you need are high SPL speakers which come with large woofers. They need to be able to produce reasonably good quality sound (meaning less distortion) while maintaining high SPLs.

The crest amp which I mentioned comes highly recommended by Kanwar.
A custom made speaker by Kanwar will be far better than the cervin wega. A crest amp with a volume knob (potentiometer) connected to such a speaker will kick some serious a ** !

A quick correction to your observation about audiophile sound. There is nothing called audiophile sound in serious circles. It is called natural sound . Meaning sound which closely resembles sound which you hear in an unamplified concert What you are trying to assemble is a system which will resemble an amplified concert !

 

[Jhononweed]

hifiashok

Thanks i was late to read whole thread.

Decadent_Spectre

To address your concerns about power bills, let me reiterate going loud means lots of power except for horns/bandpass. They will draw certain amounts of power but nothing like that of an air conditioner. You should look at the literature provided that shows the power draw in amps to work out if it is acceptable to you. Equipment like the K12s are on the extreme lower end of power consumption in the pro field, the rated specs say 1.13A on 230V, I would not be concerned about power bills in the least.

Professional equipment is what you need, will it look pretty? No. Will it get the job done? Yes. There are certain companies that do custom veneer jobs on these types of speakers but they will not fall within 100k. If aesthetics is very important you need to expand the budget or settle for pretty consumer speakers with poor performance.

Active speakers when designed right are equal or even better than passives. I personally prefer passive but I don't see any disadvantages of an active speaker. Actives are a solution that has been designed to optimize the performance of a cabinet matching the driver and the amplifier and appropriately EQing/filtering the signal. There is really no downside to an active, further they usually have built in protection to make them more durable in the hands of amateurs which passives do not.

I would say that you should go look up some pro style dealers to get prices and have a listen to things like QSC,JBL,EV,Martin,EAW and so forth. For you I would pick the K12 because it is known to be a good performer and a VFM option which fits the budget. It won't go as loud as the KWs but will still sound good and do the job.

If you want the best you can get in budget I suggest the 4pi from pi speakers. Use the 2226 and a DE250. It is DIY though, assembled will be out of the budget. You will need to import it. Alternatively ask Kanwar what he can do for you. I would insist on a 15" for the mid/woofer. The JBL 2226 is expensive but a very solid performer. Alternatively look at 18 sound drivers, I have used some and have found them to have good results.

One last note, a speaker is usually not meant to perform that well below 60-80Hz, pushing it hard below this is a bad idea. A sub is recommended if you want the lower frequency stuff. I know this adds to the budget and power requirements but these are just the facts. You can get away using it on the lower end for low SPLs but not if you want to play loud as you will risk damage to the speaker.

Pheww ! Thanks for giving some respite to me regarding power consumption.

Professional Speakers, that will be sounding perfect but humongous in size i guess.But i have a fixed budget and i guess KW122 fits the bill then, are they available here in India( New Delhi to be precise ).Consumer level speakers under my budget are not worth ? But Wow looking at so many deals on this forum and checking out some sites which sells Hi-Fi equipment's made me envious but now after reading your post ....i am a bit more confused than before and trying to juggle my mind b/w Professional or Higher end consumer speakers.

If you want to pick a Consumer level speaker that can do the job and fit my requirements....which one will you pick and why ? I know i am just asking too much but aren't this QSC,JBL,EV,Martin,EAW in consumer bracket?

I have been supplied recommendations for Wharf's/Quad's/Usher's/Polk.....i personally listen a POLK BS sometime back and was really impressed with its sound comparing all i got is Edfier and Altec lansing speakers with Philips Midi system( Antique now :lol::lol: )

In DIY category - Peerless and Ahuja's....or import drivers and make it yourself.So for DIY i will take Kanwar's advice seeing how good his work is and how much admiration his work's is getting....LEGEND of DIY !!



One thing i do get from so many suggestions is that i need a FLOOR standing speakers instead of BS...

square_wave

Avoid speakers like wharfedale (the mainstream models like diamond) for your purpose. What you need are high SPL speakers which come with large woofers. They need to be able to produce reasonably good quality sound (meaning less distortion) while maintaining high SPLs.

The crest amp which I mentioned comes highly recommended by Kanwar.
A custom made speaker by Kanwar will be far better than the cervin wega. A crest amp with a volume knob (potentiometer) connected to such a speaker will kick some serious a ** !

A quick correction to your observation about audiophile sound. There is nothing called audiophile sound in serious circles. It is called natural sound . Meaning sound which closely resembles sound which you hear in an unamplified concert What you are trying to assemble is a system which will resemble an amplified concert !

Oops then Wharf's is off my list then.
Yes i checked the AMP that you suggested but right now aim is to get a speakers and then AMP for it ...this AMP will go with any of PRO / Consumer speakers too ?


Thanks for providing so many options.My mind is really spoiled by choices ...but now question arises can i get a audition or two in NCR region

On the side note i am in need of Sound bar for 46" LED....just need VFM sound bar without any glitzy or blings. Simple nice tidy that can be wall mounted below or above the TV set's.

Thank's to all again.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

Pheww ! Thanks for giving some respite to me regarding power consumption.

Professional Speakers, that will be sounding perfect but humongous in size i guess.But i have a fixed budget and i guess KW122 fits the bill then, are they available here in India( New Delhi to be precise ).Consumer level speakers under my budget are not worth ? But Wow looking at so many deals on this forum and checking out some sites which sells Hi-Fi equipment's made me envious but now after reading your post ....i am a bit more confused than before and trying to juggle my mind b/w Professional or Higher end consumer speakers.

If you want to pick a Consumer level speaker that can do the job and fit my requirements....which one will you pick and why ? I know i am just asking too much but aren't this QSC,JBL,EV,Martin,EAW in consumer bracket?

I have been supplied recommendations for Wharf's/Quad's/Usher's/Polk.....i personally listen a POLK BS sometime back and was really impressed with its sound comparing all i got is Edfier and Altec lansing speakers with Philips Midi system( Antique now :lol::lol: )

In DIY category - Peerless and Ahuja's....or import drivers and make it yourself.So for DIY i will take Kanwar's advice seeing how good his work is and how much admiration his work's is getting....LEGEND of DIY !!

DS what is 2226 ? Sorry

One thing i do get from so many suggestions is that i need a FLOOR standing speakers instead of BS...

The size is given you can have a look to see if it is suitable. I would encourage you to read the spec sheet. QSC should be available in Delhi, poke around the website and you should find the Indian distributor or the Delhi dealer.

The K12 is cheaper,smaller and lighter than the KW122. The main difference is the dispersion pattern and the KW is more well built using ply. I imagine they would sound similar, I would be surprised if QSC uses different components for the two.

As far as consumer speakers (audiophile speakers), I believe they are over priced and under performing junk. That is my honest and very blunt opinion on it which will not change till they pick up their game and have reasonable pricing. They fall apart at high SPL and produce no bass/mid bass impact. They are also intentionally "colored" to suit certain markets where people refer to it as natural or transparent in their very ignorant minds because they get the sound they want without using DSP so they believe it is "pure". People want the "best" to most this means money, not science. It is easier to show off a 50,000$ speaker than it is to show off measurements of a 2,000$ speaker.

The brands I mentioned are not consumer brands, they are pro audio brands. Only JBL has a consumer division which I would avoid unless you can afford the synthesis series at which price point I would pick other speakers. For a consumer speaker I would pick brands which bring pro audio into the consumer realm like Pi Speakers,Gedlee,JTR. I own JTR speakers. In all honesty these are not really consumer in any sense of the word except being marketed to consumers,JTR markets to both the consumer and the pro segment. They simply bring the benefits of pro audio and science into a market which is starved for high performance no BS speakers which are priced well and deliver the sound.

Kanwar offers a good option for those who cannot make speakers themselves but want custom options. I would steer clear of Peerless and Ahuja.

The 2226 is a JBL driver. Other companies to look at for drivers are 18Sound,B&C,RCF,Beyma,Precision Devices.

 

[square_wave]

hifiashok

Thanks i was late to read whole thread.



Pheww ! Thanks for giving some respite to me regarding power consumption.

Professional Speakers, that will be sounding perfect but humongous in size i guess.But i have a fixed budget and i guess KW122 fits the bill then, are they available here in India( New Delhi to be precise ).Consumer level speakers under my budget are not worth ? But Wow looking at so many deals on this forum and checking out some sites which sells Hi-Fi equipment's made me envious but now after reading your post ....i am a bit more confused than before and trying to juggle my mind b/w Professional or Higher end consumer speakers.

If you want to pick a Consumer level speaker that can do the job and fit my requirements....which one will you pick and why ? I know i am just asking too much but aren't this QSC,JBL,EV,Martin,EAW in consumer bracket?

I have been supplied recommendations for Wharf's/Quad's/Usher's/Polk.....i personally listen a POLK BS sometime back and was really impressed with its sound comparing all i got is Edfier and Altec lansing speakers with Philips Midi system( Antique now :lol::lol: )

In DIY category - Peerless and Ahuja's....or import drivers and make it yourself.So for DIY i will take Kanwar's advice seeing how good his work is and how much admiration his work's is getting....LEGEND of DIY !!



One thing i do get from so many suggestions is that i need a FLOOR standing speakers instead of BS...



Oops then Wharf's is off my list then.
Yes i checked the AMP that you suggested but right now aim is to get a speakers and then AMP for it ...this AMP will go with any of PRO / Consumer speakers too ?


Thanks for providing so many options.My mind is really spoiled by choices ...but now question arises can i get a audition or two in NCR region

On the side note i am in need of Sound bar for 46" LED....just need VFM sound bar without any glitzy or blings. Simple nice tidy that can be wall mounted below or above the TV set's.

Thank's to all again.

That is a good idea.

If you land up with some high sensitivity speakers, there is no point in looking for high powered amps.

From my experience, almost all pro speakers sound harsh in the near field. I have heard some really expensive ones. This observation is not correct if you are looking at pro audio speakers which are used in studios.

There are some speaker manufacturers from the pro audio business who have entered the home audio domain and they make some really nice sounding speakers using drivers from pro audio. Those are exceptions and they are not so cheap. The thing is that once you enter home audio, the listener is going to sit 8 feet away and figure out if that Steinway piano sounds exactly like a Steinway ! So the rules of the game change considerably.

My suggestion is to get Kanwar make a pair of speakers for you using some really good pro audio drivers and a refined crossover design and then pair it with some amp from Crest. You can choose the exterior finish to suit your home environment too.

Best of luck.

 

[Jhononweed]

DS

K12 is active speaker , read its spec's but unfortunately have not much technical knowledge so i do not know what to expect from those spec's.
Though this speaker is Active one, so i wont need any AMP in future or i will have to buy it or get a passive one with good AMP ?

QSC has dealer in Chennai & Bangalore.

Do i need a SUB with your suggested options?

Considering consumer level speakers are over marketed & hyped , then i guess i will give that a miss too with Wharf's and Polk's.

So Pro is way to go ( High SPL speakers ...)


Square_wave

Hmm your post is little opposite of DS.You felt harsh sounds from pro speakers, made me to think about consumer level speakers again...


Now seeing both of yours advice i guess i should just contact Kanwar and get my confusion out of the way of getting good speakers.

I checked pi speakers and they sell drivers too ...if i am not wrong so i can do DIY with their drivers or JBL or for that matter any other good drivers?

Do you think going DIY way is better option for me, well ofcourse getting it done by someone who has experience like Kanwar.....or just hang on with pre made pro speakers like K12 and others which fall in my budget.

Ohh dear i am into some really hard ride now,isnt it?:lol::lol:

Thanks DS & SW for some wise suggestions....

 

[square_wave]

Hi John,

Most budget level pro audio speakers which are designed for sound reinforcement in a concert / club environment are first designed for SPL and second for quality. They are designed keeping in mind a public environment not a home. But you can use similar drivers to make a refined version if you go DIY with someone as knowledgeable as Kanwar.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

DS

K12 is active speaker , read its spec's but unfortunately have not much technical knowledge so i do not know what to expect from those spec's.
Though this speaker is Active one, so i wont need any AMP in future or i will have to buy it or get a passive one with good AMP ?

QSC has dealer in Chennai & Bangalore.

Do i need a SUB with your suggested options?

Considering consumer level speakers are over marketed & hyped , then i guess i will give that a miss too with Wharf's and Polk's.

So Pro is way to go ( High SPL speakers ...)

No amp is required with K12s unless you change the speakers. DSP is recommended. Things like the dbx driverack260 or the Behringer DCX2496, I use the latter with good results.

The ones mentioned on QSCs website are distributors, delaers for the distributor are bound to be in Delhi, I would give the distri a call and ask for their Delhi dealers number.

For the music you like a sub (or 8) is always recommended if possible. The music we are talking about needs good bass, a sub is a necessity for it. Speakers like the K12 should tide you over but to get the real meat of the bass you need a sub. With adequate speakers and subs you will have a pretty epic experience in your home everyday.

Look up Kanwar and ask for a speaker using a 15" for the mid woofer and a compression driver in a horn/waveguide and ask the price for a dual 18" cab to get an idea on what you can expect for sub costs. There are various things available but as always it depends on your goals. Like myself he is a guy who believes in science and not audiophile non sense as he comes from a pro audio background and his products reflect it.

If I was in your shoes I would look at the 4Pi from Pi Speakers using the 2226 and DE250 if it was at all feasible. They would be my first choice.

I would shoot myself before I bought a consumer speaker so yes Pro is the only way to go. Don't mistake them for sounding bad, it is a common misconception when people compare to the absolute worst pro speakers possible. If you pick the right speaker there is no comparison between it and a consumer speaker in any category of performance.

 

[square_wave]

Hi John,

I guess for your music and requirements, you should be listening to DS

 

[Rem]

@DS

Pardon me if I am wrong wont a Klipsch speaker fit the OP's needs. he can go for low powered amp to pair with it and still go pretty loud with lots of decent bass.

Its quite easily available in most metros as well.

cheers
Rem

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

It is a matter of making the best out of your budget, I don't really see Klipsch as a contender at various price points where I would pick other options.

 

[Jhononweed]

Square_wave

Thanks, i will check few consumer level speakers along with pro ones mentioned by DS.I am not in hurry to buy one as i need a good one that can last long as i consider all my things for long term investment.Sorry i may sound a bit weird but i am not frequent changer of things.

Yes i am more inclined towards DIY.

Decadent_Spectre

K12 seems perfect for me as i do not wanna go over bound on purchase plus keeping my budget intact.I thought active speakers do not need any AMP or DSP , like just buy one and hook it up to the set up of mine....

Can't we use pro speakers without a SUB as i thought the more big driver size is the more lower frequency it can achieve.Can a general low profile or consumer level SUB go with K12 or similar kind of speakers due to budget constraint of 100K Rs....one more thing i had mailed the distributor of QSC about New Delhi based delaer + price that i can look forward too.....can you give me some rough estimate in Indian terms about K12 pair?

Now moving onto 4pi from Pi speakers, does it fall in my budget bracket and availability in India ?


Thanks all.

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

You can use it without a sub but as I had mentioned, it performs best with a sub. A larger driver does help but there is a limit to what dual 12s can do. A consumer sub will be a poor choice much like consumer speakers. The reason I suggest options of 15" drivers is because it will help you significantly in regards to bass/mid bass. What many people often perceive to be low bass usually ends up being above 40-50Hz. For your uses and budget I don't think you can get something better. If you can hear them I would be very surprised if the K12s don't suit you.

With pro 12s they do not have sufficient displacement to be of use much below 60-80Hz usually. Excursion and their cone area are limiting factors. They will excel above 80Hz. It depends on SPL level and how loud you want to play, within reason (SPL wise) the 12s will be fine going deeper as QSC has a "deep" mode to adjust the processing.

The K12 has built in preset EQs which can be helpful if you want a simple solution, an external DSP allows greater flexibility and options in shaping the response to taste which the K12 does not offer.

I do not have any idea on the Indian price for these.

Have a look at the Pi website and talk to its owner, he will give you good advice for your budget and what options you should pick. You need to add shipping and customs (about 25% CIF) when you import it and provide an amplifier as it is not active and will need to DIY the box as the assembled version will be out of budget. If you are willing to build the box yourself and are confident in your ability to build it correctly then email Wayne and see what he has to say. You could use the stock components as well though the JBL/B&C upgrade will be well worth it.

IMO you would be better off with the K12s even if you sacrifice some performance for the ease of use,plug and play, budget friendliness and built in protection offered by the K12s. Remember to back off the volume control if you see the limiter light flashing.

 

[Jhononweed]

You can use it without a sub but as I had mentioned, it performs best with a sub. A larger driver does help but there is a limit to what dual 12s can do. A consumer sub will be a poor choice much like consumer speakers. The reason I suggest options of 15" drivers is because it will help you significantly in regards to bass/mid bass. What many people often perceive to be low bass usually ends up being above 40-50Hz. For your uses and budget I don't think you can get something better. If you can hear them I would be very surprised if the K12s don't suit you.

With pro 12s they do not have sufficient displacement to be of use much below 60-80Hz usually. Excursion and their cone area are limiting factors. They will excel above 80Hz. It depends on SPL level and how loud you want to play, within reason (SPL wise) the 12s will be fine going deeper as QSC has a "deep" mode to adjust the processing.

The K12 has built in preset EQs which can be helpful if you want a simple solution, an external DSP allows greater flexibility and options in shaping the response to taste which the K12 does not offer.

I do not have any idea on the Indian price for these.

Have a look at the Pi website and talk to its owner, he will give you good advice for your budget and what options you should pick. You need to add shipping and customs (about 25% CIF) when you import it and provide an amplifier as it is not active and will need to DIY the box as the assembled version will be out of budget. If you are willing to build the box yourself and are confident in your ability to build it correctly then email Wayne and see what he has to say. You could use the stock components as well though the JBL/B&C upgrade will be well worth it.

IMO you would be better off with the K12s even if you sacrifice some performance for the ease of use,plug and play, budget friendliness and built in protection offered by the K12s. Remember to back off the volume control if you see the limiter light flashing.

I am still awaiting to find a QSC dealer in Delhi or NCR area to hear them.They look perfectly build and specs are good.
I guess pair of K12 might cost me somewhere around 90K Rs if i go by online international prices.

Pi speakers's 4pi have good reviews too but its horn speakers...i have no knowledge of horn type.Keeping this one in my options too but i would first check K12 and others.....

Reading about JBL 2226 tells me that i should really get those and fit them in proven box design and cross overs kits.It's about 250 $ on ebay and have numerous Hi-fi reviews on net.Just need to find it in Delhi or India if i finally decide to make DIY on JBL 2226 drivers.If i get those i will have no requirement of SubW's that's for sure....

I had opportunity to listen Polk RTiA 1( Wooden color ) & his dad's DIY speakers at my friends house, i paired them with 3 different things.
Polk RTiA + Sound card( STX )
Polk RTiA + Norge 2060 + Soundcard (STX )
Polk RTiA + Some costly AMP ( don't remember name ) + Soundcard (STX)

I played my few .mp3's, Sadly i didnt found any superior sound quality coming out from his speakers when paired with costly AMP or from just soundcard. Norge AMP sounded better than costly one but again sound quality was not that good if you consider the price of whole setup.

Then checked his DAD's speakers and wow those were some old ones ( or looked liked old enclosures ) sounding so good with same songs with Norge AMP 2060 that i played on Polk speakers.It was custom made by his DAD for half price of Polk's as i was told by his DAD with grinning smile and fitted in some old enclosure which was neither big nor heavy with driver's from Dayton's.

I asked his dad to make a pair for me too which he gladly accepted.:yahoo::yahoo:

Seriously if some cheap DIY speakers can kick 25K -30 K Rs priced speakers then i am more than UP for making one for me with JBL 2226 ( or similar driver ) with compatible tweeter's....


Next on listening list is Wharf's/ JBL ES series before i chuck them out of my list.:lol:

For DIY , i need some option's for what type of speakers should i go for
1. MTM /TM or Tweeter Woofer Tweeter.
2. Drivers .
3. Availability.
4. Price.
5. Design.
I will post a thread in DIY section for this but before that i like to have some advice from you ( DS ) / Square_wave / Others....

Thanks and Cheer's !

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

I am still awaiting to find a QSC dealer in Delhi or NCR area to hear them.They look perfectly build and specs are good.
I guess pair of K12 might cost me somewhere around 90K Rs if i go by online international prices.

Pi speakers's 4pi have good reviews too but its horn speakers...i have no knowledge of horn type.Keeping this one in my options too but i would first check K12 and others.....

Reading about JBL 2226 tells me that i should really get those and fit them in proven box design and cross overs kits.It's about 250 $ on ebay and have numerous Hi-fi reviews on net.Just need to find it in Delhi or India if i finally decide to make DIY on JBL 2226 drivers.If i get those i will have no requirement of SubW's that's for sure....

I had opportunity to listen Polk RTiA 1( Wooden color ) & his dad's DIY speakers at my friends house, i paired them with 3 different things.
Polk RTiA + Sound card( STX )
Polk RTiA + Norge 2060 + Soundcard (STX )
Polk RTiA + Some costly AMP ( don't remember name ) + Soundcard (STX)

I played my few .mp3's, Sadly i didnt found any superior sound quality coming out from his speakers when paired with costly AMP or from just soundcard. Norge AMP sounded better than costly one but again sound quality was not that good if you consider the price of whole setup.

Then checked his DAD's speakers and wow those were some old ones ( or looked liked old enclosures ) sounding so good with same songs with Norge AMP 2060 that i played on Polk speakers.It was custom made by his DAD for half price of Polk's as i was told by his DAD with grinning smile and fitted in some old enclosure which was neither big nor heavy with driver's from Dayton's.

I asked his dad to make a pair for me too which he gladly accepted.:yahoo::yahoo:

Seriously if some cheap DIY speakers can kick 25K -30 K Rs priced speakers then i am more than UP for making one for me with JBL 2226 ( or similar driver ) with compatible tweeter's....


Next on listening list is Wharf's/ JBL ES series before i chuck them out of my list.:lol:

For DIY , i need some option's for what type of speakers should i go for
1. MTM /TM or Tweeter Woofer Tweeter.
2. Drivers .
3. Availability.
4. Price.
5. Design.
I will post a thread in DIY section for this but before that i like to have some advice from you ( DS ) / Square_wave / Others....

Thanks and Cheer's !

Call the distributor, you will get a quick response. It takes me only a few minutes to locate a dealer if there is an Indian distributor listed on the company website.

If you are intent on DIY using a 15" use the 4pi, it might cost a bit but the design has been refined over time and is an excellent choice if you can DIY. Don't worry about the horn, look at the provided measurements. With a new design you don't know what your getting. Play it safe is my advice. It will sound good, go loud, hit hard and falls within budget.

Last I checked the 2226 retailed for 22-24k locally. A sub is still recommended if feasible.

You have seen a hint of what is offered by consumer speakers and "some costly amp"

I bet some audiophile in the crowd is thinking the reason the costly amp sounded bad was because you played MP3s through it :lol:

Much of what people call sound quality is actually sound preference, a lot of it can be accounted for by altering the frequency response to suit your tastes and for this you need DSP.

 

[Jhononweed]

Decadent_Spectre

Call the distributor, you will get a quick response. It takes me only a few minutes to locate a dealer if there is an Indian distributor listed on the company website.

If you are intent on DIY using a 15" use the 4pi, it might cost a bit but the design has been refined over time and is an excellent choice if you can DIY. Don't worry about the horn, look at the provided measurements. With a new design you don't know what your getting. Play it safe is my advice. It will sound good, go loud, hit hard and falls within budget.

Last I checked the 2226 retailed for 22-24k locally. A sub is still recommended if feasible.

You have seen a hint of what is offered by consumer speakers and "some costly amp"

I bet some audiophile in the crowd is thinking the reason the costly amp sounded bad was because you played MP3s through it

Much of what people call sound quality is actually sound preference, a lot of it can be accounted for by altering the frequency response to suit your tastes and for this you need DSP.

Yups going to leave a call for K12...before that i want to listen few more consumer speakers as i know i will settle for K12..

Will look for 4Pi kit in Thailand / Hongkong, as i think i might get them there.That will be far cheaper than importing them with all custom duty and hangling when i know i will end up paying fraction of duty while bringing myself

DIY route is certainly more pleasing for me and if K12 or similar speakers doesn't fit in then i will surely go DIY way.

Getting 2 JBL 2226 drivers @25-30K rs each will be better leaving me with 40K Rs for rest ....what you say ?

DIY : 2 way or 3 way speakers.

1. With JBL 2226 and compatible tweeters.
Enclosure can be made out of designs posted in net or reviews( Proven design's)
2. Driver's 12 or 15 inch ,similar to JBL 2226.
3. Using Dayton's drivers ( Pro drivers ) and Dayton ready made cabinets.


All my music is in .mp3 format, looks like i will always be pinged down for it then:lol::lol:

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

Yups going to leave a call for K12...before that i want to listen few more consumer speakers as i know i will settle for K12..

Will look for 4Pi kit in Thailand / Hongkong, as i think i might get them there.That will be far cheaper than importing them with all custom duty and hangling when i know i will end up paying fraction of duty while bringing myself

DIY route is certainly more pleasing for me and if K12 or similar speakers doesn't fit in then i will surely go DIY way.

Getting 2 JBL 2226 drivers @25-30K rs each will be better leaving me with 40K Rs for rest ....what you say ?

DIY : 2 way or 3 way speakers.

1. With JBL 2226 and compatible tweeters.
Enclosure can be made out of designs posted in net or reviews( Proven design's)
2. Driver's 12 or 15 inch ,similar to JBL 2226.
3. Using Dayton's drivers ( Pro drivers ) and Dayton ready made cabinets.


All my music is in .mp3 format, looks like i will always be pinged down for it then:lol::lol:

I doubt you will get the kit there, the drivers are available here but not his crossover. I think the plans are available on their forums for the cabinet so that is easy if you can find the right builder. You just need the crossover.

Just buying the woofer is not going to help you because you need the compression driver and crossover and cabinet and then add amplification. This is why I am not sure the JBL + B&C combo will fit into budget so I suggested the K12 or the KW153/2.

What you asked for, a proven 2 way or 3 way DIY design, thats exactly what the 4 Pi is.

Dayton's are okay, more used for subs than speakers. The pro stuff is way better.

 

[Jhononweed]

Did some internet research and got a few useful idea's regarding 4Pi based DIY speakers.Infact most have cloned 4pi design with crossover from 4pi ( pi system ) and 2226 with B&C horn's, cabinet looks OK to me for designing with many going for JBL enclosure design's( 4648 or like ).

Right now trying to listen as much consumer/pro speakers i can then make a decision as their must be some consumer speaker in my budget that can be atleast 50% good if not like pro speakers.Till then i am on look of for price of 2226/B&C drivers with availability.If i don't get B&C with in my budget then i would look for other option to pair JBL.

Dayton speaker that i listened were old ones but sounded much better than Polk RTiA3 which i mistook for RTiA1.So building one for me more appealing to me than buying a high priced speaker.

Any pro drivers that i should look out for in my budget which can replace Jbl 2226/B&C if availability is problem ?

I am juggling between building JBL or Dayton based 2-3 way speaker.Getting crossover circuit or building one is holding me back as i lack basic understanding of crossover things but making a enclosure is not a hard one for me as i have my friends Dad.:yahoo:

Is their any other Pro speaker that can be fit in my budget or for that matter consumer speaker of higher end?