Tannoy Westminster
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square_wave
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Great pics. Wish to hear one someday.
My 2 cents about the coloration : -
It may be colored but if many folks consider them as their last loudspeaker, it may be doing something right. Different folks are sensitive to different colorations. Evoking the same feelings as you would when you listen to live is sometimes considered as neutral among certain camps.
My 2 cents about the coloration : -
It may be colored but if many folks consider them as their last loudspeaker, it may be doing something right. Different folks are sensitive to different colorations. Evoking the same feelings as you would when you listen to live is sometimes considered as neutral among certain camps.
IndianEars
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My 2 cents about the 'coloration' : -
I have never found Live Music to be neutral. I have at different times found live music to be Harsh, Raspy, Brash, Soothing, lively etc.... but never found it sound 'neutral' ....
No malice in my words, just the way I hear & appreciate my music ...
I have never found Live Music to be neutral. I have at different times found live music to be Harsh, Raspy, Brash, Soothing, lively etc.... but never found it sound 'neutral' ....
No malice in my words, just the way I hear & appreciate my music ...
square_wave
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I meant unamplified live when I said live. Do you find unamplified performances harsh? Amplified live cannot be considered as real! It assumes many forms depending upon the kind of gear that is in use. But of course it has its uses depending upon the music.
IndianEars
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YES, I AM referring to UNAMPLIFIED (Live) music
A Trumpet at full blare
Many systems neuter that sound...
A Trumpet at full blare
Many systems neuter that sound...
Some useful resources here: Found this link to some Tannoy speakers
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If you click on a speaker of your choice its in Japanese but you still can understand the technical info .
What i wanted to add was from this I did not realise there were so many westminster models i thought it was just the one.
looking at the Westminster Royal the 99db impedance how often would you see a speaker that high.
Am Right in my thinking on a low volume setting at 99db you be getting a huge sound Compared to a pair of speakers say 86db?
TANNOY ?X?s?[?J?[?V?X?e??(?v???X?e?[?W?V???[?Y??)?? ?^???m?C
If you click on a speaker of your choice its in Japanese but you still can understand the technical info .
What i wanted to add was from this I did not realise there were so many westminster models i thought it was just the one.
looking at the Westminster Royal the 99db impedance how often would you see a speaker that high.
Am Right in my thinking on a low volume setting at 99db you be getting a huge sound Compared to a pair of speakers say 86db?
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square_wave
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YES, I AM referring to UNAMPLIFIED (Live) music
A Trumpet at full blare
Many systems neuter that sound...
While talking about trumpets we need to bear in mind that they are not played at full blare at sustained volume. Trumpets are handled with restrained and creative dexterity with occasional (usually very short) bursts of blare which adds to the excitement. If musicians choose to do sustained periods of blare, you move into the territory of pain. I have not heard anyone doing this till date.
I completely agree with you that no loudspeaker can do dynamics like live.
reubensm
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From my experience, a lot of general reference to colour, is based on a speaker's ability to reproduce mids. From what I've heard, bose is definitely coloured and so is cerwin vega. There is a huge conflict of opinions when it comes to live music. People usually make references and comparisons based on live amplified music. If you want to hear live music as it sounds, one must listen to music played without amplification. I have read several stories about audiophiles in the west listening to live brass bands or army/navy bands playing in the open to ascertain benchmarked sound quality. I've also read of some audiophiles listening to the sound of thunder to benchmark true bass. Very interesting concepts.
YES, I AM referring to UNAMPLIFIED (Live) music
A Trumpet at full blare
Many systems neuter that sound...
True about violins as well .. They can be incisive and many systems make it silky smooth
panditji
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I cannot understand the obsession with systems sounding like live music...nobody obsesses over watching Amitabh Bachchan or Robert De Niro acting live and saying that a film cannot match a live take/shot of the same.....
I don't see anybody obsessing over the music...I for one find studio recorded albums much better than live performances both in terms of technique as well as the recording...
As per the above mentioned comments, many instruments could be jarring at a live event and maybe sound better on an audio system...
I for one like live music more for the ambience and the setting as the music is generally not very coherent at most venues...maybe with an orchestra playing classical music where everyone is quite in a hall, the sound makes sense but the same can also be enjoyed on a CD/LP in a decent setup even if it is a little different from the live event...a good piece of music can be enjoyed on all systems even if it sounds a little different everytime....
Do correct me if I think it is just a fad for audiophiles to make themselves feel important by saying that they are looking for systems to replicate the live experience because nothing can ....
I don't see anybody obsessing over the music...I for one find studio recorded albums much better than live performances both in terms of technique as well as the recording...
As per the above mentioned comments, many instruments could be jarring at a live event and maybe sound better on an audio system...
I for one like live music more for the ambience and the setting as the music is generally not very coherent at most venues...maybe with an orchestra playing classical music where everyone is quite in a hall, the sound makes sense but the same can also be enjoyed on a CD/LP in a decent setup even if it is a little different from the live event...a good piece of music can be enjoyed on all systems even if it sounds a little different everytime....
Do correct me if I think it is just a fad for audiophiles to make themselves feel important by saying that they are looking for systems to replicate the live experience because nothing can ....
panditji
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Apologies as I went off topic but could not resist writing the above...
Panditji your frustration is understood while all systems want to sound like live they never will 
and the same music played/sung by the same folks at different places will also sound different.
Just my opinion but I guess in the end it is whether or no the same emotions can be evoked by the system as would a live event ....and for that the tone and character of the instruments must make music with all its harmonics/Dynamics .A very big ask and all systems attempt it to their limits to get "There".
while all systems want to sound like live they never will and the same music played/sung by the same folks at different places will also sound different. Just my opinion but I guess in the end it is whether or no the same emotions can be evoked by the system as would a live event ....and for that the tone and character of the instruments must make music with all its harmonics/Dynamics .A very big ask and all systems attempt it to their limits to get "There".
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IndianEars
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square wave said :
but I had said
SQ, I NEVER mentioned that the trumpet is Blaring all the time. That would be silly and hardly music.
However the brief bursts when it DOES Blare, the system needs to reproduce that to convey emotion. IMHO most 'Neutral" systems just dont do that.
Neutral then is a Coloration, and a destructive, subtractive coloration...:sad:
but I had said
SQ, I NEVER mentioned that the trumpet is Blaring all the time. That would be silly and hardly music.
However the brief bursts when it DOES Blare, the system needs to reproduce that to convey emotion. IMHO most 'Neutral" systems just dont do that.
Neutral then is a Coloration, and a destructive, subtractive coloration...:sad:
OK, I have to beg to disagree. Sure I think that all systems have some colouration to a degree but I do think that systems tend toward being warm or cold in their presentation - although it is difficult to describe. Therefore de facto there is a "neutral" presentation possible although what it is, I have found, differs for everyone based on their comparative experience.
Great systems can produce the warm tones of a piano as well as the percussive aspects of it. Same of a violin, where one can tell a gut string from a metal one, and the sound of a trumpet, as discussed here, whether a blare or mute etc.
I just think of neutral systems as one that has the ability to present all these aspects of a musical instrument and not biased towards warm or harsh tones overall.
Hope this makes sense.
Great systems can produce the warm tones of a piano as well as the percussive aspects of it. Same of a violin, where one can tell a gut string from a metal one, and the sound of a trumpet, as discussed here, whether a blare or mute etc.
I just think of neutral systems as one that has the ability to present all these aspects of a musical instrument and not biased towards warm or harsh tones overall.
Hope this makes sense.
This whole concept of "neutral" systems is rather confounding
To hear a neutral system you need a neutral recording in a well designed room . While the latter Two are still possible, the former is perhaps very rare and I guess very limiting to what one could hear. Most recordings are recorded and voiced by the recording engineer ( including sound staging) so we are hearing a colored content most of the time.
The other problem is that each of our ears hear differently hence the response captured by the ear and sent to the brain is different for each of us
So now..what is neutral ?
Listening to a live unamplified performance in a large silent room perhaps..
To hear a neutral system you need a neutral recording in a well designed room . While the latter Two are still possible, the former is perhaps very rare and I guess very limiting to what one could hear. Most recordings are recorded and voiced by the recording engineer ( including sound staging) so we are hearing a colored content most of the time.
The other problem is that each of our ears hear differently hence the response captured by the ear and sent to the brain is different for each of us
So now..what is neutral ?
Listening to a live unamplified performance in a large silent room perhaps..
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panditji
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Isn't it possible that all instruments also sound different? Is it possible for two guitars/pianos/saxophones/Trumpets/Vocals to sound the same?
So instead should'nt we be focussing our attentions to audio equipment which makes the music sound nice as home audio is used to listen to music for pleasure as for recording purposes there is pro-audio equipment....
So instead should'nt we be focussing our attentions to audio equipment which makes the music sound nice as home audio is used to listen to music for pleasure as for recording purposes there is pro-audio equipment....
Actually for that you really do not need a Hifi..my ipod/iPhone does that well
The only reason as to all of us are in the forum with millions on threads on equipment is because we do want it to meet some considerations other than just enjoy the music..although that would have to be the governing principle
panditji
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That is true Arjun, but then everything is subjective in audio and the only thing objective i.e. the technical specifications of equipment are widely discarded by true audiophiles saying that they do not mean much and that we have to listen to equipment to judge them which is subjective again....so it's a nice little hobby in my opinion which keeps us busy and makes some feel important as well...
Hi
I would say live amplified music is as much venue,amplification and system dependent as a home stereo if not more.Live unamplified music is the key (and maybe is talked of as a reference),as it is almost impossible to replicate the pure and natural tones of human voices or instruments through either a live amplified concert or a home stereo.
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Quite true. These days have come to the conclusion that I try to focus on getting the dynamics and the whole harmonic content right..the rest is all secondary. And you can't get everything right anyway !
But again, coherency, transparency, prat, sound staging..etc etc are all important too..
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