Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 vs Tannoy Mercury F1 Custom vs Cambridge Audio S30

that is a very good price for the 9.5s.....i do wonder how he manages it.....and i also wonder where all the experts on this forum have disappeared.....except for vinod and neo, no one seems to be responding....or this stuff too "budget" ???

:) Ha Ha Ha. Nothing is too 'budgety'. The reason I did not step in is basically I saw a healthy discussion going on between people who know the products intimately in terms of their capabilities and prices.

I have heard the CA and Marantz and they both sound good in their own ways. The Wharfedales have been doing good for years. I had auditioned the Alphas once in the US using a Parasound Pre and Power. They sound very good. I have heard the Polk's at ProFx, and again they are good speakers.

All the products being discussed are very good, and ultimately it is your personal hearing that will help in the decision making.

I generally prefer NOT to recommend a brand or a product. But if you give me a few 'final' choices, I can compare them and say what is good, and what is bad.

As always, finally trust your ears.

Cheers
 
ouch that's 4k more than the 9.1s.....i might not go for them then....as i sai...i will be on a very tight budget.....I am even considering going for the Cambridge Audio 340A instead of the 340A SE.....and save a few bucks like that.......does that make sense?

I dont know if that makes sense audio quality wise, psychotropic. I think that is for you to decide. And since I have been in your place and still am :) I can see where you come from on the finance angle.

I hope you do make the right choice. If you ask what I would do personally, then I would wait, save up and buy that speaker which most fascinates me and satisfies me. Because speakers are long term investments - at least 10 years or so.
 
ouch that's 4k more than the 9.1s.....i might not go for them then....as i sai...i will be on a very tight budget.....I am even considering going for the Cambridge Audio 340A instead of the 340A SE.....and save a few bucks like that.......does that make sense?

hello, richer sounds gb. diamonds 95gbp.have just bought tannoys,mmh...brilliant so far! put them on my micro hitachi, transformed it.before this always thought my micro hitachi was rubbish! 3 days running in, today put them thru my sony qs kit in living room, mmh...perplexing! think they might put my 9.4s to the test. i also own a ca 640azur amp. its ok, i wouldnt buy another. am considering buying 9.1s to test against tannoys and 9.4s, listened to dali lektor 1. tannoy souinded closest to it. wasnt overly struck on lektor,build quality,looked cheap. sounded ok. hope this helps
 
:) Ha Ha Ha. Nothing is too 'budgety'. The reason I did not step in is basically I saw a healthy discussion going on between people who know the products intimately in terms of their capabilities and prices.

I have heard the CA and Marantz and they both sound good in their own ways. The Wharfedales have been doing good for years. I had auditioned the Alphas once in the US using a Parasound Pre and Power. They sound very good. I have heard the Polk's at ProFx, and again they are good speakers.

All the products being discussed are very good, and ultimately it is your personal hearing that will help in the decision making.

I generally prefer NOT to recommend a brand or a product. But if you give me a few 'final' choices, I can compare them and say what is good, and what is bad.

As always, finally trust your ears.

Cheers

i agree, trust your ears. audition at home if possible over a wkend, some amps are designed to appeal quickly.then show flaws later, one thing re diamonds they have kevlar drivers, very long burn in time. my 9.4s took easily 3months maybe longer, worth the wait, if my 9.4s were a bit quicker they would be one of the best ive heard anywhere!
 
I once used a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 75th anniv. Edition with Rotel RCD02 cd player & Exposure 2010S integrated amp. Now it has been replaced by Tannoy Mercury F1 Custom.
(the Diamond anniversary enclosure is made from real wood veneer)

Comparison between Diamond 9.1 & F1 Custom:
I found the Diamond to have more extended high freq. than the F1 Custom. However, the Diamond has more colouration, the sound is nice and warm, but not in a good sense, these nice & warm things seem to be fabricated, as opposed to an honest and realistic sound. In other words, to me this loudspeaker really has its own colour, which are nice & warm, thus accuracy is definitely not a strong point here.
Is it because the designer aimed to create a loudspeaker that would appeal to everyone? Initially this diamond appealed to me, thats why I bought it in the first place. But after 2.5 months of quite intensive listening (6 days a week, 2 to 3 hours per day), I come to these opinion.
The Diamonds imaging is also significantly less vivid compared to the F1 Custom.
I also noticed some upper bass emphasize with the Diamond, where the upper bass sounds too thick. This improper thickness seems to have negative impact on detail and transparency, as bass and mid definition is another weak point here. The F1 Custom might seems to have weaker bass than the Diamond, but it actually can play low notes far better. This is obvious with piano repro in many recordings, where the F1 Custom still able to present some low notes with good definition and impact, but the Diamond falls short by a considerable margin. For drums repro, the F1 Custom does it with good realism, from the cymbal, snare to the kick drum, while the Diamond cant help to present bloomy, unnatural bass without solid image. But for even lower notes, both speakers do not have such extension, its normal due to their small size.
F1 Custom throws big and stable soundstage, the width may exceed physical boundaries with some recordings.

So for a speaker under USD500 (or 300 pound), I find the F1 Custom is really good, with the following characteristics:
1. Minimum colouration : honest sound, realistic reproduction from the sonic & music point of view
2. Neutral tonal balance: not warm but also not cool, sounds like the frequency response from top to bottom is quite linear (maybe anybody has measurement data to correct or confirm my hearing on this?)
3. Detail, transparent and focus, but not drawing attention to itself, the attention is on the music, enable me to deeply listen to the music.
4. Quite revealing of recording material quality/character

Before purchased the F1 Custom I auditioned several speakers: PSB Alpha B1, Paradigm Atom, Usher S512, B&W 686 & Epos ELS8. IMHO, I consider the F1 Custom to be better, overall, than the others, eventhough the comparison were not apple to apple as different electronics were used in each auditioned. Compared to the F1 Custom, I noticed that the PSB produces deeper soundstage, but less natural timbre of mid and high freq. The Paradigm sound is detail and has good clarity, but the midband timbre is not satisfactory to me. The Usher has more holographic imaging, but the mid sometimes has shouty character, and the high has forward character. The B&W has bigger bass, but presenting music with not enough life and soul (the problem is similar with ELS8). The Epos has more extended HF, but Im not attracted to its rather thin midrange character. I suppose personal taste also had some contribution to my choosing the F1 Custom.
As for the Diamond, I dont belief it has a strong position against the other speakers mentioned above. Its quite strange that the Diamond receives so many good to very good reviews anywhere, including What HiFi magazine, UK, who gave it 5stars (F1 Custom also got 5stars review. But in a group test of 5 or 6 speakers, among which are the Diamond and the F1 Custom, What HiFi chose F1 Custom as the winner). The Diamond is more like a 3stars performer to me, I would not recommend it.
Prices (US retail price): the F1 Custom is USD140, the PSB USD 280, and the others are above USD300 (the Usher is above USD400).
I belief the F1 Custom is an underrated performer, partly due to its low price, where some recommendations I read is just to use it in a mini hi-fi system. Actually it strongly competes against USD 250 450 (150 300 pound) loudspeakers with a real chance of winning. For anybody whos looking for under USD500 loudspeaker and interested in the Diamond, I seriously advise you to re-consider your interest, give both the F1 Custom and the Diamond (along with the other speakers mentioned above) a thorough audition before make any decision.
 
hello, richer sounds gb. diamonds 95gbp.have just bought tannoys,mmh...brilliant so far! put them on my micro hitachi, transformed it.before this always thought my micro hitachi was rubbish! 3 days running in, today put them thru my sony qs kit in living room, mmh...perplexing! think they might put my 9.4s to the test. i also own a ca 640azur amp. its ok, i wouldnt buy another. am considering buying 9.1s to test against tannoys and 9.4s, listened to dali lektor 1. tannoy souinded closest to it. wasnt overly struck on lektor,build quality,looked cheap. sounded ok. hope this helps

hi jobian
appreciate honest inputs on following since u owned tannoy and also wharf's.

i am settingu 5.1 for my new house. but this is a onetime longterm investment.

myroom size is 17x10x8 rectangle.view dist is 7 ft.

getting following5.1
tannoy mercury a]v1{fronts}+vc+vr{rears}+velodyne impact 10 sub at @58kINR or 658gbp.
b]wharf 9.1{rears}+center+9.2{fronts}+sub.
c] wharf 9.1x4 +center+Sub.
d]wharf vardus 300
out of the above options which are good both for movies and music listening.
i am pairing theese with yamaha 471 avr.
appreciate ur inputs about the options and estimates.
if u are staying in england ,appreciate to share price there and if its convenient can u arrange shipping. i have borderlnx address of uk. but not sure about the duty and other charges.??

since these is my first hts in my family of nerds who dont know what a true hts is... i am going to surprise them.

appreciate ur help buddy.

regds
swapnil
india.
 
swapnil.

please visit www.htsotre.in and order the tannoy package + velodyne sub and get it delivered to your home. Getting it from abroad will be a pain.

Instead of the mercury V1.. you may want to consider the very capable mercury V4 as fronts

In MUmbai - Alliance4 - are the dealers.. please audition before you buy esp as 7 ft viewing dist may be less for Floorstanders but YMMV.

mpw
 
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