What next after, Andrew jones

[MaSh]

Mostly use dts neo6 for music and neo6 for movies, i did the calibration and its has set my sub to - 12 and thd volume dial on my sub is i would say at 9 o clock:sad: i dont feel the bass at that level, my fronts get set to large, surrounds and center to small and it sets the crossover to 40hz for all the speakers

This post right here tells the story of poor performance from your setup.

1. The first position of auto calibration needs to be repeated till your receiver sets the level of sub to close to 0db. Negative 5 to positive 5 should be the goal. Play with sub gain/volume knob till you get this level. Proceed with other positions once this level is attained on first position. -12 is clearly telling you that sub gain is too high. Hence there is no bass effect as the receiver has effectively kicked it out of loop.

2. Setting the front speakers as large is making them full range and crossing at 40 is icing om the rotten cake. After completing the setup as per point 1, set from speakers to small and cross them at 80-90hz. Sub to 90-100hz as per your liking, even at 80hz of you like it. Experiment a bit. Disconnect the speakers if you wish.

3. Check the frequency range of all speakers and then set their crossover accordingly. Crossover setting of front speakers has an effect on sub crossover.

4. Always do calibration using All available positions. If your receiver support 6, do 6. If 8, do 8. Ignore extreme positions. All positions at sitting positions, 2 feet either side and 2 feet in front.

This may not be the perfect workflow, but should show you some gains. You could then fine tune it by experimenting.

All the best,
MaSh

 

[grunthos]

I agree. Him not feeling life in music isn't related to 320 kbps me format. They can pack in quite a punch

 

[sujithblaze]

This post right here tells the story of poor performance from your setup.

1. The first position of auto calibration needs to be repeated till your receiver sets the level of sub to close to 0db. Negative 5 to positive 5 should be the goal. Play with sub gain/volume knob till you get this level. Proceed with other positions once this level is attained on first position. -12 is clearly telling you that sub gain is too high. Hence there is no bass effect as the receiver has effectively kicked it out of loop.

2. Setting the front speakers as large is making them full range and crossing at 40 is icing om the rotten cake. After completing the setup as per point 1, set from speakers to small and cross them at 80-90hz. Sub to 90-100hz as per your liking, even at 80hz of you like it. Experiment a bit. Disconnect the speakers if you wish.

3. Check the frequency range of all speakers and then set their crossover accordingly. Crossover setting of front speakers has an effect on sub crossover.

4. Always do calibration using All available positions. If your receiver support 6, do 6. If 8, do 8. Ignore extreme positions. All positions at sitting positions, 2 feet either side and 2 feet in front.

This may not be the perfect workflow, but should show you some gains. You could then fine tune it by experimenting.

All the best,
MaSh

i guess i didn't make myself clear, after getting audyssey to calibrate my system, it is audyssey who setz my fronts as large and sets the crossover to 40hz and the sub to - 12, then i manually edit the setting and set the sub to - 7 on my receiver, i set myfronts to small and change the cross over to 80for my fronts and 90 for my surrounds and centre and volume on my sub is set to may be 3-4 on a scale of 10,my question is if i reduce the volume on my sub anything below it there is no use in having a sub, and i am not getting why audyssey os automatically setting my fronts as large and crossing them at 40

 

[MaSh]

i guess i didn't make myself clear, after getting audyssey to calibrate my system, it is audyssey who setz my fronts as large and sets the crossover to 40hz and the sub to - 12, then i manually edit the setting and set the sub to - 7 on my receiver, i set myfronts to small and change the cross over to 80for my fronts and 90 for my surrounds and centre and volume on my sub is set to may be 3-4 on a scale of 10,my question is if i reduce the volume on my sub anything below it there is no use in having a sub, and i am not getting why audyssey os automatically setting my fronts as large and crossing them at 40

Got it. Yes Audyssey works on frequency response captured by the mic. Room behaviour for one makes the speaker sound bigger then they actually are.


Regarding sub, follow my point on adjusting sub level via audyssey and not manually on the first position. So after you are done calculating, all you should be doing is switching fronts to small and crossing them at 80-90. Remember the sub level now could be different from what it would be at the end of first position. But that's ok, as long as it is not set to -12. Consider -12 as an error.

 

[rainmaker]

Mostly use dts neo6 for music and neo6 for movies, i did the calibration and its has set my sub to - 12 and thd volume dial on my sub is i would say at 9 o clock:sad: i dont feel the bass at that level, my fronts get set to large, surrounds and center to small and it sets the crossover to 40hz for all the speakers

Why do you use surround DSP option for two channel music? Most of the time it messes up the music IMHO, but then again, its a personal preference.

Also where have you placed your sub at? Is it at some corner? Also have you tried doing the subwoofer crawl test? Usually the Audyssey room correction suite does a pretty decent job.

Also if you are setting the speakers to low, set the cross-overs to be around 100, unless you are using actually full range speakers for your front channel.

cheers!
D

 

[sujithblaze]

Got it. Yes Audyssey works on frequency response captured by the mic. Room behaviour for one makes the speaker sound bigger then they actually are.


Regarding sub, follow my point on adjusting sub level via audyssey and not manually on the first position. So after you are done calculating, all you should be doing is switching fronts to small and crossing them at 80-90. Remember the sub level now could be different from what it would be at the end of first position. But that's ok, as long as it is not set to -12. Consider -12 as an error.

I have done the calibration may be 7-8 times everytime Its the same result, decreased volume on sub increased it its always the same, nd I don't have the luxury of placing the sub anywhere else other than where it is right now

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[rainmaker]

I have done the calibration may be 7-8 times everytime Its the same result, decreased volume on sub increased it its always the same, nd I don't have the luxury of placing the sub anywhere else other than where it is right now

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How many positions have you used for your calibration? Also did you give the mic enough breathing room? if its placed nearer to the wall it will pick up unwanted reflections which will mess up the calculation. Also how big is your room? Since bass is omni-directional it will get reflected like crazy from everything that is nearby. Even moving it a little may have a huge effect. Do play around.

 

[sujithblaze]

How many positions have you used for your calibration? Also did you give the mic enough breathing room? if its placed nearer to the wall it will pick up unwanted reflections which will mess up the calculation. Also how big is your room? Since bass is omni-directional it will get reflected like crazy from everything that is nearby. Even moving it a little may have a huge effect. Do play around.

yes i did it give it enough room, the mic was maybe 100-120 cms away from the wall, i did try all the 8 diff positions, also i sometimes find that when a heavy bass kicks in the overall sound comes down, my speakers are set to small, fronts are crossed at 80 hz, centre at 100, and surrounds at 90 hz, and bass is set as lfe, so its not the amp struggling for power

 

[rainmaker]

From what you are saying it must be the sub's position that is causing the problem. Whats the current volume level on your sub. I hope its not turned up too much. I may have missed the info, but what sub do you have?

I have a decent sized room with my sub's volume control turned to 9'O clock and AVR has set it to -6dB.

 

[manoj.p]

Can you try setting following things to off in your receiver?
Loudness Management
Dynamic Comp
Dynamic EQ
Dynamic Volume

lastly, if these dont work, try with setting Audyseey off.

 

[sujithblaze]

From what you are saying it must be the sub's position that is causing the problem. Whats the current volume level on your sub. I hope its not turned up too much. I may have missed the info, but what sub do you have?

I have a decent sized room with my sub's volume control turned to 9'O clock and AVR has set it to -6dB.

if its the sub's position then I'll have to live with it, coz i cant move thr sub to any other position, dont have space:sad: i have a Cambridge audio aero 9 subwoofer on a scale of 10my sub volume will be 3-4 at max

 

[sujithblaze]

Can you try setting following things to off in your receiver?
Loudness Management
Dynamic Comp
Dynamic EQ
Dynamic Volume

lastly, if these dont work, try with setting Audyseey off.

if i turn off audyssey, then i will have to manually tune the system using yhe the 9band equalizer, which everyone knows is a tedious job, might have to spent 2 hrs listening to same tune again and again, thats y i rely on audyssey, and i do love the way audyssey tunes the system, distance levels etc my only concern is abt crossover and the sub getting kicked out of the loop, and also u asking me to turn off audyssey is it for the volume issue that i had raised, wherein the vocals tend to fade out when a heavy bass kicks in