Absence makes the heart grow fonder: Why I returned to Harbeth P3 ESR.

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I recently bought a pair of Harbeth P3ESRs. I had a pair of P3s a few years ago and was very fond of their presentation of music in my smallish listening room.
I had an uneasy feeling when selling them. That I was making a mistake. This feeling never went away. It lay dormant and would come up at random moments every now and then. As my unreliable memory serves they produced a very enjoyable sound stage with precise layered audio imagery. While the bass frequencies from this tiny speaker with a 5” woofer and a sealed enclosure was never lacking for me, the addition of a sub (KEF KC62) totally elevated the presentation to a much higher level. They played well with a variety of different amplifiers too.

I still can’t explain why I sold these.

But when a pair came up for sale recently I bought them even though I certainly don’t need another pair of speakers.
When they arrived and I started to play my current favourite music it all came back to me: why I love these speakers so much.

Whether you are a seasoned audiophile who has never heard them or a new entrant to this hobby, do yourself a favour and listen to these at a dealer, or someone who has a pair set up. To audiophiles who have experienced Harbeths in the past, I would suggest a listen again (remember your first love?)

They are not without their limitations; but then which speakers don’t have their limitations?

Excerpt from John Atkinson review (Stereophile) describes it well:
“Everyone wants something different from a loudspeaker. Some people value midrange neutrality above all, while others will sacrifice some of that accuracy to get extended lows or a speaker that will play immensely loud with only a few watts of power. Some want stereo imaging that is sufficiently delicate, stable, and accurate that the speakers open a transparent window on the recording's original performing space. Some will sacrifice all of the above to get a speaker whose "jump factor" can jerk zombies out of their stupor. And there are those who are prepared to lose just a little bit of everything in order to have a speaker that may not excel in any of these areas, but communicates what they want from their music in the most effective overall manner….I love the Harbeth P3ESR. I think it's the best iteration yet from any manufacturer of the BBC LS3/5A minimonitor concept.”

Thoughts ?
 
You're right 👍 ▶️ absolutely. Mid range "British" sound is something that a lot of people appreciate.
The neutral clear midrange presence is definitely one of the attributes that has been praised (and repeated by many over the years). …. Just One of the several other things it does well.

But midrange performance alone does not explain everything these speakers do so well. I have a feeling it’s a happy accidental discovery by a speaker designer/engineer while tinkering with the LS3/5A design.

Needs more pondering.

I have also used the phrase “British sound” or the “BBC LS3/5 sound” in the past but recently I have admitted to myself I don’t have a clear idea on what this is 😎
 
Still trying to figure out what makes this so special I looked up the many, many reviews for the P3s online.
Here is one that tries:
 
Heard vintage LS3/5A with Leak tube amplifier and it is one of the best bookshelf speaker ever made. Simply add a subwoofer you are done with the stereo setup for mini room with fully satisfied performance. Later heard the Kef LS50 first version and also sounds best. Somehow there are not much takers at that time when it is launched.
 
I bought the first version of the LS50 when it launched. While it was a terrific performer in many ways, it did not create the emotional connect for me. Have heard a number of BBC LS3/5 models and derivatives. Excellent sounding again over short listening sessions.

I always had the feeling the ProAC Response 1SC and the Harbeth P3ES had that bit of extra “soul” (?) to my taste. I suspect this has to do with tuning of the frequency response and crossover design. Being handicapped with limited knowledge of these aspects I live with such vague feelings.
I want to try the Falcon Gold badge version sometime.
 
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I bought the first version of the LS50 when it launched. While it was a terrific performer in many ways, it did not create the emotional connect for me. Have heard a number of BBC LS3/5 models and derivatives. Excellent sounding again over short listening sessions.

I always had the feeling the ProAC Response 1SC and the Harbeth P3ES had that bit of extra “soul” (?) to my taste. I suspect this has to do with tuning of the frequency response and crossover design. Being handicapped with limited knowledge of these aspects I live with such vague feelings.
I want to try the Falcon Gold badge version sometime.
Most of the magic in music sits in that 300 hz to 2 khz range. Human voice fundamentals, Piano tone, Emotional cues in speech is here. All the BBC LS3/5 models and derivatives specifically focus on creating magic in that region. That speaker is my favorite in the harbeth range along with the Monitor 30. The Monitor 30 keeps most of that magic but also extends the range top and bottom and tries to be a little bit more linear in the response.

I like what Graham, Falcon and Spendor also do with their similar models.
 
Still trying to figure out what makes this so special I looked up the many, many reviews for the P3s online.
Here is one that tries:
I guess one of the things that make special speakers, truly special, is their rendition of live music and live musical instruments.
If you listen to a lot of live music & If the speakers you possess come close to matching your experience of live music, then you have a good one in your hands, I suppose???

Do respond if you Agree or disagree???
 
I guess one of the things that make special speakers, truly special, is their rendition of live music and live musical instruments.
If you listen to a lot of live music & If the speakers you possess come close to matching your experience of live music, then you have a good one in your hands, I suppose???

Do respond if you Agree or disagree???
I fully agree that a speaker that reproduces the “real musical tone and timbre” of instruments and voices is special. It beings us closer to the “performers are in the room with me” illusion. The quality of the recording matters a lot obviously.

But I am not so sure about the same being true of all live performances as these tend to vary wildly. Sometimes the hall or auditorium acoustics are not great, the equipment and speakers positions relative to where we are sitting or standing, placement of recording mikes and the crowd noise - all these matter.

Even good recordings of bad sounding concerts by our favorite bands or singers will sound bad. Some of the older live Kishore Kumar and Beatles recordings for example…

I think this is the only reason the whole studio recording business started?
 
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