Amps in AVRs Vs dedicated Amps

[dillihifi]

Correct me if otherwise but the aim of our music systems is to recreate a live performance on the stage and we as a part of the audience. The multichannel mode makes us a part of the performers. I feel it is the former we should aspire from our systems.

Regarding the cinematic experience what you say is true and even I meant the same thing where I stated that all the action can happen all around us and though limited by the 2D view we feel the 3D effect by means of sound.

But I would still like to understand why this is so. My feeling is that when we are watching a cinema in 2D the sound should be confined to the fronts and centre and sub only. The surrounds add more to the effects part of it and sometimes is unnatural too.

 

[venkatcr]

Correct me if otherwise but the aim of our music systems is to recreate a live performance on the stage and we as a part of the audience. The multichannel mode makes us a part of the performers. I feel it is the former we should aspire from our systems.

That is a narrow way of thinking. When you get a chance through technology to be sitting right in the middle of a performance, and be completely immersed in the music from all sides, why not?

But I would still like to understand why this is so. My feeling is that when we are watching a cinema in 2D the sound should be confined to the fronts and centre and sub only. The surrounds add more to the effects part of it and sometimes is unnatural too.

I would again say this is narrow thinking. When you are driving in a car, you see only what is in front of your eyes. But, when another car comes from behind you and honks, you do hear it, don't you? And this is completely natural, is it not.

Movie makers go to large extent to recreate this real life experience. We are only talking about sound. There are many other experiments being conducted to simulate you senses. For example when there is a crash on the screen, your seats could shake and rattle. When James Bond brakes hard on his speeding Aston Martin, you could be pushed against the seat to feel the momentum. When a plane dive is shown, your seats could tilt downwards, making you feel as if you are in the cockpit. When a couple walk through a rose garden in a scene, you can actually smell the roses. If there is a rain in a scene, you could get a whiff of cold and wet air making you feel you are getting wet. If Clint Eastwood is rinding on a horse through a desert, you can get dry and warm on your face and body.

We are at very early stages of sound simulation. Both artists and technologists are working hard to see how aural simulation can be enhanced. If the success of Avatar is any standard, 3D will become more common, and we will soon be looking at 11.2 or higher surround systems. These are already there in some theaters as well as the high end AVRs.

Cheers

 

[dillihifi]

It has got nothing to do with narrow thinking. Technology gives you an option enhance /suppress different frequencies also, I wonder why people who for stereo setups are not tinkering with those ? Why do we want that the music reproduction be as faithful as possible ? Multichannel music have been introduced from quite some time still those formats have yet to take off in a big way the world over.

As for the part regarding driving a car I would rather suggest that you are not in the drivers seat at this moment with respect to the 2D flicks you are but a spectator and the sound will be spatial and not holographic with respect to the screen. Maybe with the advent of time we can have VR type of movie experience where the veiwer will act as one of the actors and then this type of effects is intended.

I agree that these effects have been a part and parcel of the movie viewing experience with the advent of DD and DTS but I feel that these sound formats are unnatural in the sense that as of today you are watching the flicks as an audience and your sound field be restricted to what you see rather than those which try to take you into the action.

Well for the natural effect to these sound formats the viewing experience should be in 3D and VR formats which are yet to give you that enveloping effect which sound presently does.

 

[ajay124]

It has got nothing to do with narrow thinking. Technology gives you an option enhance /suppress different frequencies also, I wonder why people who for stereo setups are not tinkering with those ? Why do we want that the music reproduction be as faithful as possible ? Multichannel music have been introduced from quite some time still those formats have yet to take off in a big way the world over.

As for the part regarding driving a car I would rather suggest that you are not in the drivers seat at this moment with respect to the 2D flicks you are but a spectator and the sound will be spatial and not holographic with respect to the screen. Maybe with the advent of time we can have VR type of movie experience where the veiwer will act as one of the actors and then this type of effects is intended.

I agree that these effects have been a part and parcel of the movie viewing experience with the advent of DD and DTS but I feel that these sound formats are unnatural in the sense that as of today you are watching the flicks as an audience and your sound field be restricted to what you see rather than those which try to take you into the action.

Well for the natural effect to these sound formats the viewing experience should be in 3D and VR formats which are yet to give you that enveloping effect which sound presently does.

Technology in cinema,especially in Hollywood,is being used as a substitute for lack of imagination and ideas.It may enhance 'sensory kicks' but the substance is at a kindergarten level.

 

[hemantwaghe]

It has got nothing to do with narrow thinking. Technology gives you an option enhance /suppress different frequencies also, I wonder why people who for stereo setups are not tinkering with those ? Why do we want that the music reproduction be as faithful as possible ? Multichannel music have been introduced from quite some time still those formats have yet to take off in a big way the world over.

As for the part regarding driving a car I would rather suggest that you are not in the drivers seat at this moment with respect to the 2D flicks you are but a spectator and the sound will be spatial and not holographic with respect to the screen. Maybe with the advent of time we can have VR type of movie experience where the veiwer will act as one of the actors and then this type of effects is intended.

I agree that these effects have been a part and parcel of the movie viewing experience with the advent of DD and DTS but I feel that these sound formats are unnatural in the sense that as of today you are watching the flicks as an audience and your sound field be restricted to what you see rather than those which try to take you into the action.

Well for the natural effect to these sound formats the viewing experience should be in 3D and VR formats which are yet to give you that enveloping effect which sound presently does.

1) Do youy have any sales figures? What I know is stereo is limiting itself to niche market..Music sales in value is declining...people are not going for qualityhyeah:hyeah:

As worlds biggest music store is itunes which sales mostly compressed music ,and big music stores like virgin closing down it is pretty evident. and many stereo players are coming into multichannel arena. so I think market is already decided and we are having an academic discussion...

 

[dillihifi]

Come on I am not trying to prove anything just enhancing my understanding and knowledge. It is not about sales figures. In most good music stores today CD titles outnumber the SACD titles available. For example I did a cursory look up in amazon and found 2,181,635 CD titles as against 5,982 SACD titles in the Music category. Pls see whether the max of your music software is in multichannel/stereo. Maybe the future of music is of multichannel but today I have a fair reason to believe that stereo rules. A case in point is the recent growth in sales of LPs and turntables which have been pointed out by many members here.

Further by means of this thread I want to understand why we want to hear the sound effects when we are watching a 2D flick when the same is not a natural effect to what we experience in real life when we are onlookers to a scene?

 

[bansal98]

Further by means of this thread I want to understand why we want to hear the sound effects when we are watching a 2D flick when the same is not a natural effect to what we experience in real life when we are onlookers to a scene?

I totally agree. In real life, we are never in the middle of a "scene". We are always watching from a distance. I have watched a lot of 5.1 channel movies and I must say that the effect is good when your hear a bullet flying on the surround speaker but that is more like being in an amusement park. The effect is thrilling on its own. In other words, it has got nothing to do with the enhancing the appeal of the movie. The movie would look just as good without this effect and the effect would look good just as good without the movie.

 

[ajay124]

Perhaps a vote on Hifivision to find out how many members are using SACD players.
The % would be negligible.
I am not denigrating the technology.I'm sure SACD'S sound great in the right set up.But with the commitment most folks have already made to CD's,Vinyl,Two Channel,not many will have the time,money or the inclination for SACD.
FLAC/Apple lossless/Downloaded files PC---DAC/Sound card---Speakers may be the mass market way for the future.But I, for one, am planning to stick to my dedicated two channel set up.

The CD's I have now and am still buying are not a passing fad.They are for life.Quite simply because there is no music made/being made anywhere on the planet which would be better than most of the stuff I have.Fact.Not Fiction.No upgrades available for love or money!

*Don't have much of Hindustani classical although I rate it on par with Western classical.Not one iota less or more.

 

[mvasu22]

I am in agreement with what you have written.My taste in cinema/music is off-mainstream.Just thought I would put my 'minority' viewpoint forward.Ultimately everyone should make a choice after looking at things from every possible angle.
Anyway,as I prefer the big screen,I do most of my film viewing at festivals and not at home.IFFI Goa(23/11-2/12) is what I'm looking forward to,at the moment.I would be watching something like 35-40 films in 10 days.Wouldn't be very interested in viewing films at home when I get back.

Well, the chain has got a drift from where it started, I suppose the original thread was to differentiate between a stereo AMP and an AVR amp and not wether an AVR/Stereo amp is needed to watch a movie.

Well, any electronic equipment is very subjective to each person and hence we have to maintain our differences of opinions if they exists.