AVR for best movie experience

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I got psb mini, sub 125 and lr1 surround recently, currently using denon 1912 but want to upgrade the avr for best movie experience

Pls suggest for best under 100

What about nad avr ?
 
100 what? Lakhs or thousands?:)

If you liked the Denon sound, stick with the brand. Just go for a newer model with higher output and more features.

Cheers
 
The market experience with NAD AVRs is not very encouraging. They showed a bit of spunk when introduced, but the Japanese brands have been whipping every other brand without mercy.

NAD has not been able to bring the same kind of quality and power generation that they have in their players and integrated amplifiers. NAD, unfortunately, has not been able to make a mark at anything less than the 787 which is more than twice your budget. Unfortunately, for every other brand excepting the Japanese, the volumes have been too low to make any sense in terms of R&D and feature enhancements.

Unless you go with separates, for AVRs, I would stick to one of the following - Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, Sony, and Pioneer.

Cheers
 
The market experience with NAD AVRs is not very encouraging. They showed a bit of spunk when introduced, but the Japanese brands have been whipping every other brand without mercy.

NAD has not been able to bring the same kind of quality and power generation that they have in their players and integrated amplifiers. NAD, unfortunately, has not been able to make a mark at anything less than the 787 which is more than twice your budget. Unfortunately, for every other brand excepting the Japanese, the volumes have been too low to make any sense in terms of R&D and feature enhancements.

Unless you go with separates, for AVRs, I would stick to one of the following - Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha, Sony, and Pioneer.

Cheers

Obviously forgot the Marantz.
 
Get the cheapest possible AVR with preouts. Add power amps. I suggested an AVR because AV pre processors are usually more expensive than mid level AVRs.
 
Denon x2100w performs well for movies and has all the latest features selling at around 65K.
Since I already have Denon 1912 and I am looking to seriously improve the sound quality with my new set of psb speakers, need suggestion around the same

How about marantz... I don't have much knowledge on these that I can look their amp section and tell which is better
 
With 100K budget, consider Denon X3000/X4000, Onkyo TX NR 929, Marantz SR 7008/7009, Pioneer Elite LX series, & Yamaha Aventage RX A series...
 
With 100K budget, consider Denon X3000/X4000, Onkyo TX NR 929, Marantz SR 7008/7009, Pioneer Elite LX series, & Yamaha Aventage RX A series...
Thanks but it confuses me more

I am not after fancy features but just want clean sound quality

As per their amp section etc which of these will be best for just sound quality
 
Let me give you some pointers, but these are purely personal.

1. Onkyo. I like the Onkyo sound, maybe because I have been using an Onkyo receiver for a long time. It is powerful and the clarity of dialogues is very clear. Their separation is really good and with the power they pump, you can hear every sound and whisper very clearly. Onkyo may be a bit muted in low frequencies, but that suits my ears. Onkyo, as far as I know, does not filter any sound, and sends it raw to you. You can get a bit of ear fatigue after a while. (It looks as if I am an Onkyo fan :), no?)

2. Denon. Very similar to Onkyo, as they compete very closely with each other. Denon's sound is more refined than Onkyo as I suspect they fool around a bit to make the sound 'pleasant' or muted. You can watch movies for 8 hours and not get any ear fatigue.

3. Marantz. This is a different beast. With a lead in two channel audio, Marantz brings the same refinement in sound to their AVRs. No ear fatigue, and clear separation and clarity at all frequencies. They could be more realistic in terms of their power output.

4. Pioneer. Again in the same league as Onkyo and Denon. When they started they really had to fight a losing battle against these two. But they kept on refining their offerings, and today they fight head to head against these two. Their mid range is clean and leans towards being neutral. It is the high end that Pioneer excels in, delivering them with clarity that few can do so well.

5. Sony brings the same sound signature as all their other equipment. They add a bit of extra power at all budgets, making you believe it sounds 'better'. Using DCAC instead of Audyssey, they may lose a lot in terms of room correction, and may thus not be in the same league as the others.

6. Yamaha. Yamaha tires to separate themselves from the rest by offering two differentiators - their own calibration, and oodles of their own sound processing. Yamaha has two extremes - people who hate them and people who love them. If you like their sound processing, you will not like other AVRs. In addition, Yamaha UI is not all that friendly. In terms of sound, I would slot them somewhere between pleasant and harsh.

In terms of features, I would reckon Audyssey is needed as is some Networking. And of course, capability to handle DTS-HD and Dolby True-HD. In terms of video processing, the choices are many, but I would prefer a simple pass through. With Blu-ray through a good player, there is no sense in upscaling. A good original DVD player through a Pioneer player looks superb without any processing. And, irrespective of what you do to a pirated DVD, it can never be improved.

Use these as pointers in your audition. Look for the way the AVRs handle high and low frequencies, dialogues, and lip syncing. If these are handled well, you have a winner.

Cheers
 
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venkatcr has given you detailed inputs... That should help you a lot...

Could you tell us what is your source for movies? Blu Ray disk (or) BR Rips...If blu ray rips what is the approx file size...

I could see that your AVR already has Audyssey room correction... Hope you have done the automatic calibration & enable Audyssey Dynamic EQ & vol while watching movies.....
 
Let me give you some pointers, but these are purely personal.

1. Onkyo. I like the Onkyo sound, maybe because I have been using an Onkyo receiver for a long time. It is powerful and the clarity of dialogues is very clear. Their separation is really good and with the power they pump, you can hear every sound and whisper very clearly. Onkyo may be a bit muted in low frequencies, but that suits my ears. Onkyo, as far as I know, does not filter any sound, and sends it raw to you. You can get a bit of ear fatigue after a while. (It looks as if I am an Onkyo fan :), no?)

2. Denon. Very similar to Onkyo, as they compete very closely with each other. Denon's sound is more refined than Onkyo as I suspect they fool around a bit to make the sound 'pleasant' or muted. You can watch movies for 8 hours and not get any ear fatigue.

3. Marantz. This is a different beast. With a lead in two channel audio, Marantz brings the same refinement in sound to their AVRs. No ear fatigue, and clear separation and clarity at all frequencies. They could be more realistic in terms of their power output.

4. Pioneer. Again in the same league as Onkyo and Denon. When they started they really had to fight a losing battle against these two. But they kept on refining their offerings, and today they fight head to head against these two. Their mid range is clean and leans towards being neutral. It is the high end that Pioneer excels in, delivering them with clarity that few can do so well.

5. Sony brings the same sound signature as all their other equipment. They add a bit of extra power at all budgets, making you believe it sounds 'better'. Using DCAC instead of Audyssey, they may lose a lot in terms of room correction, and may thus not be in the same league as the others.

6. Yamaha. Yamaha tires to separate themselves from the rest by offering two differentiators - their own calibration, and oodles of their own sound processing. Yamaha has two extremes - people who hate them and people who love them. If you like their sound processing, you will not like other AVRs. In addition, Yamaha UI is not all that friendly. In terms of sound, I would slot them somewhere between pleasant and harsh.

In terms of features, I would reckon Audyssey is need as is some Networking. And of course, capability to handle DTS-HD and Dolby True-HD. In terms of video processing, the choices are many, but I would prefer a simple pass through. With Blu-ray through a good player, there is no sense in upscaling. A good original DVD player through a Pioneer player looks superb without any processing. And, irrespective of what you do to a pirated DVD, it can never be improved.

Use these as pointers in your audition. Look for the way the AVRs handle high and low frequencies, dialogues, and lip syncing. If these are handled well, you have a winner.

Cheers

thanks for ur detailed suggestion and explaination....few info on the stuffs I watch and listen:

I watch DTS and DTS HD MA movies mostly, blurays or downloaded with 15-20GB files

I also watch HD TV Channels and needs depth in their dialogue and HD Movies

I have done audyssey setup on my denon 1912 which has audyssey multeq XT...but after its done with its automatic correction I did not like its sound specially the highs were too highs for me so I switched off dy eq and dy volume off, then did audyssey to manual and turned down high freq for all speakers

then adjusted ch level to 0, this way I somewhat like the sound but still not very satisfying with my high quality and pricy PSB speakers

my room is not that big its 15*12

now few question to you again:

1) If I upgrade to Denon X2100 or X3100 or go for AVR with higher version of audyssey like audyssey XT32 will my sound quality improve ?

2) From your eplaination I seem to like Marantz as alternative to Denon...if I get its high end SR7009 will that be a good option ?

3) my psb dealer suggested me nad t748v2 or t757v2....t748v2 has its own room correction but no audyssey and t757 has basic version of audyssey and I dont use networking feature at all in denon 1912, I have dedicated media player and bluray player etcs....and like I explained above that I tone down the audyssey setup to minimal, hence will going with NAD simple AVRs with focus to audio will be better option ?
 
How about Audyssey... As I explained I didn't liked the auto Audyssey in my 1912 and I have to manually tweak it

Will there be huge difference between xt and xt32 version of Audyssey

Audyssey Multi EQ XT 32 > Audyssey Multi EQ XT > Audyssey Multi EQ

Audyssey Multi EQ XT 32 is the advanced version of Audyssey technologies and fortunately my AVR (Onkyo TX NR 818) has that....

I have watched movies on my AVR before calibrating Audyssey & after Audyssey calibration... The difference is very impressive.... Not sure why you didn't like them...

I have helped my friend do the Audyssey Auto Calibration on his Onkyo AVR TX NR 626 which had Audyssey MultEQ basic variant... Myself & my fiend have the same speakers... But HT performance was very good in mine compared to his...

Your AVR seems to have Multi EQ XT variant (Mid Variant).. I would suggest you to recalibrate them again & don't tweak the settings.....

If you still don't like them, then i think you MUST Audition an AVR before you buy....
 
Audyssey Multi EQ XT 32 > Audyssey Multi EQ XT > Audyssey Multi EQ

Audyssey Multi EQ XT 32 is the advanced version of Audyssey technologies and fortunately my AVR (Onkyo TX NR 818) has that....

I have watched movies on my AVR before calibrating Audyssey & after Audyssey calibration... The difference is very impressive.... Not sure why you didn't like them...

I have helped my friend do the Audyssey Auto Calibration on his Onkyo AVR TX NR 626 which had Audyssey MultEQ basic variant... Myself & my fiend have the same speakers... But HT performance was very good in mine compared to his...

Your AVR seems to have Multi EQ XT variant (Mid Variant).. I would suggest you to recalibrate them again & don't tweak the settings.....

If you still don't like them, then i think you MUST Audition an AVR before you buy....

I have done audyssey setup the problem I see with it that it makes highs a bit high and vocals specially the center channel a bit recessed

do you use dynamis eq and dynamic volume as well ? what setting u use in it like reference db etc ?
 
I have done audyssey setup the problem I see with it that it makes highs a bit high and vocals specially the center channel a bit recessed

do you use dynamis eq and dynamic volume as well ? what setting u use in it like reference db etc ?

No worries... Here are my Audyssey settings from my AVR... I didn't tweak them & left it to what Auto Calibration saved itself...

I did a full 8 point audio calibration... I think there was an option of 3 point calibration, but i went full...

Audyssey target sound curve - Movie

Dynamic EQ : On

Reference Level : 0 db

Dynamic Volume : Light

How many point calibration is yours ?
 
here is my suggestion sir:)
i had used denon 1604( from 2005 to 2006) then onkyo 606 ( from 2006 to 2008) then yamaha 863 (from 2008 to 2010) then again denon 4310 (2010 to 2013)
now iam using anthem mrx 510 of all these avrs i like anthem most since this is only avr which tackles the room response effectively. kindly do audition anthem before ur purchase i think anthem mrx 310 will come under ur budget in India or try to get it from Dubai or USA( mrx 510). i think increasing amp power will do nothing unless u r going to correct the room response, sub integration will be the most hardest think avr has to face which is easily done by anthem room correction unless u see anthem in action u never believe that,,,, by the way anthem will have no additional gimmicks like usb player, wifi player,mhl, internet radio etc
 
No worries... Here are my Audyssey settings from my AVR... I didn't tweak them & left it to what Auto Calibration saved itself...

I did a full 8 point audio calibration... I think there was an option of 3 point calibration, but i went full...

Audyssey target sound curve - Movie

Dynamic EQ : On

Reference Level : 0 db

Dynamic Volume : Light

How many point calibration is yours ?

I dont have "Audyssey target sound curve - Movie",

this is what I see in my audyssey setting

MultEQ XT - Audyssey
Dynamic EQ On
Reference offset 0
Dynamic Vol Off

where in setting you get "Audyssey target sound curve - Movie"

I have also done all 8 point calibration...
 
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I dont have "Audyssey target sound curve - Movie", this is what I see in my audyssey setting

MultEQ XT - Audyssey
Dynamic EQ On
Reference offset 0
Dynamic Vol Off

where in setting you get "Audyssey target sound curve - Movie"

I have also done all 8 point calibration...

In the Audyssey menu of the AVR, i have two settings for Audyssey.. Movie & Music... Never used the used so far.. When am on the Audyssey menu of the AVR, "Select target sound curve" is displayed like tool tip....

If you don't find that that option, never mind...That is the feature set of MultiEQ XT...

BTW i see your Dynamic Vol as "off", may be by mistake you turned it off... I think by default it should be set to "on"....
 
In the Audyssey menu of the AVR, i have two settings for Audyssey.. Movie & Music... Never used the used so far.. When am on the Audyssey menu of the AVR, "Select target sound curve" is displayed like tool tip....

If you don't find that that option, never mind...That is the feature set of MultiEQ XT...

BTW i see your Dynamic Vol as "off", may be by mistake you turned it off... I think by default it should be set to "on"....

My denon 1912 has MultEQ XT audyssey but it doesnt show any option for movie and music....does ur audyssey version MultEQ XT32 ?

and I have turned off dynamic volume as I find it not good to my taste

the problem I see when I leave Audyssey setup as it is is the center channel recessed and lots of highs....Dynamic EQ set to ON does helps but still I feel the dialogue from center specially is recessed

I have increased 2-3db the center level to conpensate that
 
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