Collaborative two way bookshelf loudspeaker project

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Here is a preamble to this build... http://www.hifivision.com/diy/22712-volunteer-needed-2-way-diy-speaker-project.html

Apart from being a good platform to share knowledge, this collaborative build is an opportunity to discover local alternatives to the expensive imported components for an Indian DIY'er. My previous builds gave me confidence in the locally available options and I will share details of my findings in this thread.

These were my design Goals when I began this project

  • Easy to construct and finish.
  • Use locally available components to match the quality(and finish) of speakers that cost much more
  • Balanced sound output suitable for unfatigued music listening
  • Good integration in smaller rooms and with sub-woofers
  • Small footprint and WAF

Halfway through my MTM build, I collected these beautiful 5.25 inch 4 ohm Kevlar drivers manufactured by Peerless India. The model number is M13 KH. They looked good on specs as well.

Pics of the woofer...
woofer1.jpg


woofer2.jpg


woofer3.jpg


I had these Peerless India 25mm aluminum cone tweeters with me - Model number is T25 AN 06. With an Fs of 1250Hz(measured), looked like a good companion for the mid woofer.

Pic of the tweeter.
tweeter1.jpg


Enclosure Choice
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For ease of construction initial plan is to go for a forward firing ported enclosure. It allows a bit more freedom for speaker positioning - especially if need to be be kept closer to the back wall. An LF cutoff below 50Hz is targeted to allow a smooth transition to the sub woofer.

Driver alignment
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After making the MTM stand mount and using as a main speaker, a simple TM (tweeter-midwoofer) configuration seemed like an ideal next choice.


I got both drivers from Varsha Electronics(Jeetubhai) in Mumbai. They have confirmed there is stock of these drivers and agreed to ship them individually. I will post driver costs and other details once it becomes available.

I will post measured driver specs and the construction plans later.
 
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Thanks Anthony for the details, appreciate it.

Keep us posted on the costing & other info related to Xovers, cab materials & such ASAP.

IIRC, FM Hari Iyer has used the 6.5" Drivers similar to the ones you sourced for his TL Speaker build, but according to him, peerless do not make the 6.5" drivers anymore.

:)
 
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Thanks Anthony for the details, appreciate it.

Keep us posted on the costing & other info related to Xovers, cab materials & such ASAP.

IIRC, FM Hari Iyer has used the 6.5" Drivers similar to the ones you sourced for his TL Speaker build, but according to him, peerless do not make the 6.5" drivers anymore.

:)

I heard the same story when I tried to source those 6.5 drivers for this project initially. May be they will make if we give an order for 200 pieces :)
 
I heard the same story when I tried to source those 6.5 drivers for this project initially. May be they will make if we give an order for 200 pieces :)

Keep going & promote DIY to more of us & am sure we shall achieve the goal we all want to aim for ;)

You truly are an inspiration. Keep it up :)
 
what is the plan for crossover?

I am checking out 1st order Linkwitz-Riley since this build is intended mainly for low power applications. Need to take few more measurements before taking final decisions on xo order and type. I will post my findings as things evolve. Planning to get the schematic ready by the time the enclosure is finished :)
 
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Keep going & promote DIY to more of us & am sure we shall achieve the goal we all want to aim for ;)

You truly are an inspiration. Keep it up :)

Thanks denom.

If we can find cost effective sources for all the components going to be used in this project (and subsequently other builds), it will be a boon for the DIY'er.
 
Hi Tj,

I have the AR-XO with my Vifa P13 & D27. It sounds good but has power compression. I've implemented a first order in my design.

Haven't done any work on a higher order though.

regards.
 
Hi Tj,

I have the AR-XO with my Vifa P13 & D27. It sounds good but has power compression. I've implemented a first order in my design.

Haven't done any work on a higher order though.

regards.

Thanks Sunil, power compression doesn't go well with hard dome tweeters. I am dropping the AR-XO idea.
 
Carnatic:

At this point you have all the options for finishing the speakers , according to various price points

1. Raw MDF
2.Raw MDF with painting
3. Covered with veneer
4.Covered with veneered ply
4.Option 4 with timber moulding on all corners

Raw MDF is obviously the lowest cost, but least aesthetic. Remember, external finishes will not affect the performance.
 
I measured one of the drivers yesterday and there was usable consistency with manufacturer's specs. Need to break in the drivers before I could make final measurements and update box calculations. Will post the enclosure dimensions once that's done.

The values in bracket are manufacturer's specs

Fs - 62.31 (55.67Hz)
Re - 3.5 (3.44)
Qms -11.66 (15.38)
Qes -0.50 (0.39)
Qts - 0.48 (0.38)
 
Got the prices from Varsha Electronics(Jeetubhai). They can be contacted at [email protected]

Rs.1350 per piece for the M13KH - courier and taxes extra
Rs.875 per piece for the T25 AN 06 - courier and taxes extra
 
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Well, if its a 1st order xo, how about this?

AR-SXO - Acoustic Reality - Designed and built in Denmark

Regards,
Goldy

A series network is a great idea. You can go 2nd order. I did using a Vifa TC series 18cm woofer and 1" dome tweeter about 10 years ago. Series networks do require a bit more power to drive them but the woofer-tweeter integration is better.

diyAudio reference speaker project - Page 18 - diyAudio

Also the guru of Series XO's Andy G's website will have a lot of information. I have not checked the website recently but here it is.
ARGOS loudspeakers

Haven't done any work on a higher order though.
regards.

Sunil,

Email Andy, he is a very helpful sort. Also check 2nd order out.
ARGOS loudspeakers

Also do not forget to implement Baffle Step and use felt to control difraction. Here are some pointers.
http://www.salksound.com/wp/?p=160
 
A series network is a great idea. You can go 2nd order. I did using a Vifa TC series 18cm woofer and 1" dome tweeter about 10 years ago. Series networks do require a bit more power to drive them but the woofer-tweeter integration is better.

diyAudio reference speaker project - Page 18 - diyAudio

Also the guru of Series XO's Andy G's website will have a lot of information. I have not checked the website recently but here it is.
ARGOS loudspeakers



Sunil,

Email Andy, he is a very helpful sort. Also check 2nd order out.
ARGOS loudspeakers

Also do not forget to implement Baffle Step and use felt to control difraction. Here are some pointers.
Understanding Cabinet Diffraction Audioblog



Navin, the acoustic reality crossover is a capacitor less series network.

My choice of parallel xover is mainly due to familiarity and ease of use. I use Jeff Bagby's spreadsheet to simulate crossover - Loudspeaker Design Software

Baffle step correction is accounted for - as with my previous builds.

The possible additional components of this xover are

1) Level matching for the tweeter
2) Impedance correction for the tweeter
3) Baffle step and impedance correction for the mid woofer
 
Seems like we have too many things going on at the same time.
I mean
1. DIY sub using Peerless driver
2. Dannys X series kit project.
3. This project

I know,these are not mutually exclusive "requirements". But Seriously confused!

GOD! give me one additional weekend between Saturday and Sunday!
- Auday!
 
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