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I dont know if the green stuff copper forms is oxidisation or some other chemical process. IME, this happens to "oxygen-free" copper too if left bare.

The green thing is called 'verde gris' and is the product of oxidation. It is either cupric oxide or cuprous oxide, and is the equivalent of iron rust.

If one exposes it long enough, copper definitely tarnishes.

I agree with arj that one should use a proper termination. I'm planning to terminate my bare speaker wires. Have even bought the bananas but been lazy.
 
Copper tarnishes quickly. If all oxides (etc?) are removed in acid, it is a sort-of pinkish colour: that soon changes. I don't know if it continues into the copper or performs a protective self-limiting skin. I doubt that this has any effect on the conductivity.
I agree with arj that one should use a proper termination. I'm planning to terminate my bare speaker wires. Have even bought the bananas but been lazy.
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A whole other conversation. And happening, of course, in other threads --- but I feel that this is a lot more practical and less fairy-dust than the cables themselves. Changes in sound have been plausibly attributed to simply connecting/reconnecting. Oxides may not make a difference to the cable inside, but they obviously do form a layer between adjoining metals at a connection. Any plug, spade, etc, is also going to oxidise, and adds an extra metal/metal join.

If I were a purist, which I'm not, I think my answer would be DeOxit every few months. It really i wonderful stuff. In fact... a bottle of IPA, a can of WD40 and another of DeOxit --- what more does a man need in life! :lol:

In fact, there are two kinds of DeOxit: one cleans, and one gives longer-term protection. I'll get some of the latter when I can.

DeOxit is not cheap, although a little goes a very long way, but for anyone who feels that it not expensive enough for an audiophile, there is another contact improver called Stabilant. I'm willing to bet that the electrons would really love that stuff! No... seriously... in our humid, polluted atmosphere I sometimes wonder about treating circuit boards, let alone cable ends and switch contacts, with something like that :D
 
A whole other conversation. And happening, of course, in other threads --- but I feel that this is a lot more practical and less fairy-dust than the cables themselves. Changes in sound have been plausibly attributed to simply connecting/reconnecting. Oxides may not make a difference to the cable inside, but they obviously do form a layer between adjoining metals at a connection. Any plug, spade, etc, is also going to oxidise, and adds an extra metal/metal join.

Spot on..thats why many of these are Gold/Rhodium plated. While the sonic benefits of different platings is a different debate. the fact is they reduce oxidization.

but for those who dont mind a little DIY, the best connector is no connector hence the direct solder (non lead) of the cables to the internal circuitry (as long as you dont plan to resell !!)
 
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... in our humid, polluted atmosphere I sometimes wonder about treating circuit boards, let alone cable ends and switch contacts, with something like that :D

Fill amplifier case, shake well and drain.

With Stabilant, that would probably cost several time the price of the amplifer! :ohyeah:
 
I just did a quick math, 1 gm of Copper has 9.4 x 10^21 atoms. My calculation might be a bit off, but its in the same range. I dont know if oxidation will hinder the movement of electrons, when there are so many of them.
 
Actually problem is with electrons only, they dont know the issues with human brain and hearing. Human brain perceives music differently at different times of the day. Same goes for the excitement for expensive things like cable and they start hearing difference. During DBT, each and every person shows true results- some hear difference and others not.because of human mental state and activation of areas of brain. So IMO , there is waste of time of doing DBT.Let audiophools enjoy their expensive cables , because fault is with electrons[emoji6] ..
 
Direct Hit!

Maybe you did google for the test, but if you didn't, then you have no information about the people who took part. In fact, you have no information about anything except the price tags.

You have just demonstrated perfectly the usefulness of blind testing :clapping:
 
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