Decent 2 channel stereo setup recommendation

john_k_antony

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Dear All,

I am in the market for a decent 2 channel setup. Budge 2L including the player. My current setup for movies and stereo is Denon 2310 with KEF iQ7. Good for movies, not good for 2 channel stereo. So planning to upgrade.

I have fixed the player to be Oppo 95 as I would use the player for movies as well. Now the speakers and amp. I have shortlisted the following.

Speakers - KEF Q900 (I already use a KEF iQ7)
Amp - Marants PM 7003 (Integrated Stereo Amp)

Would really appreciate to know any other good FS Speaker/Amp combo with in 1.5L range.

Thanks,
John.

PS: Going to audition KEF Q900 with Denon Stereo Amp PMA-1510AE at ProFx now.
 
The choices are aplenty now ............ :mad:.
Immediately that comes to my mind ..... if you are into 'branded' stuff ....

Pre-power combo from Acoustic Portrait, Bangalore @ 74 K
Speakers ......... choices aplenty again .... look at Dali Ikon 6, KEF 900 @ 75 to 80 K.
Unbranded speaker .... Hari Iyer's ATL, Mumbai (there is a thread in the AV Lounge) ... @ 50 K .... fantastic stuff!
 
Just got back home from a round of audition.

Audition list ( I only had 1.5 hrs to spare. So the short audition list)

1. Confluence - Santoor and Piano instrumental
2. Billy Joel - Piano Man
3. Queen - Under pressure, Its a kind of magic
4. Malayalam CD recording made from LP (very old songs)
5. Taal (Hindi) - Drum beat sequence

Cinebels Phoenix Mall Bangalore

Setup - 1 : Marantz PM 7004 paired with Jamo D590

WOW. That's all I can say about this setup. Nice thumping bass, crystal clear vocals. Crisp High. Though it sounded brighter, it was really good. I loved the bass. I think its all because of the down firing woofer in the D590. The source was a Marantz CDP and the amp was set to source direct mode. So no tone controls. Still it sounded crystal clear. Even my wife who doesn't know much about speakers / amps clearly said it sounds too good. She is usually allergic to high volumes. But she said though the set up was sounding high, it felt good to her ears :).
However the CD recording from the LP didnt sound very well. It is expected as the source would have been a mono LP track.

Setup - 2 : Marantz PM 7004 paired with Klipsch Reference Series.

Well it DIDN'T sound as good as Jamo. The details were clear. However the bass was disappointing. No punch or weight. We switched between Jamo and Klipsh and the difference was pretty significant. Jamo sounded very "rich" and sweet.

ProFx Phoenix Mall Bangalore

Setup - 1 : Denon 3312 paired with KEF Q900

The sound was good and bass was good too. But lacked the clarity and richness provided by Marantz and Jamo combination. I would say it sounded more like my current setup of Denon 2310 with KEF iQ7. However bass from KEF Q900 was more. I guess a dedicated stereo amp like Marantz will be definitely produce great clear sound compared to an AV receiver.

Setup - 2 : Denon Stereo amp 2010 with Polk Audio RTi A9

Nothing great here. I was expecting the Denon 2010 stereo amp to be far superior to Marantz as the specs were better than Marantz (like THD, Wattage etc) and ofcourse 3 times the price of Marantz. But it was a let big let down.

Setup - 3 : Denon Stereo amp 2010 with Focal 816V

Here the sound clarity and bass was better. Felt more balanced sound than Polk. We immediately went to Cinebels to listen to Jamo D509 as the shops where right opposite. Man, i felt Marantz - Jamo combo beat the Denon - KEF/Polk/Focal hands down. In the clarity section and the bass.

I am too tempted to pick up the Marantz - Jamo combination :). Even my wife agreed that is the best sounding of the lot.

However next week I am planning to audition Marantz 7004 with Dali Ikon 6. Lets see how it goes.

John.
 
You're making a mistake looking for a new speaker.

The iq7 is an excellent speaker. The culprit here is your denon avr.
Denon's AVRs have a sound signature that is in general better for home theatres rather than music.

Denon and iq7 is a BAD pairing

What you need to do is look for a warmer amp (like NAD or cambridge audio azur 840a) and connect it to the pre-outs for the front left and right from your AVR and have the iq7 connected to the new amp.

This way you'll retain your home theater but have a matching stereo amplifier driving the iq7's.

The iq7 is an excellent capable speaker. The denon is the culprit.
 
You're making a mistake looking for a new speaker.

The iq7 is an excellent speaker. The culprit here is your denon avr.
Denon's AVRs have a sound signature that is in general better for home theatres rather than music.

Denon and iq7 is a BAD pairing

What you need to do is look for a warmer amp (like NAD or cambridge audio azur 840a) and connect it to the pre-outs for the front left and right from your AVR and have the iq7 connected to the new amp.

This way you'll retain your home theater but have a matching stereo amplifier driving the iq7's.

The iq7 is an excellent capable speaker. The denon is the culprit.

Hey

Thank you very much for the analysis. Unfortunately Denon 2310 doesnt have pre-outs :(. How about an integrated amp like Marantz PM-KI Pearl Lite. Will it be a good choice with iQ7? I really loved the sound from Marantz. I am also planning to upgrade my CDP to Oppo-95. I guess that also should make a difference. Right now my source is a normal Sony DVD-P.
 
Hey John,

Guess we met yesterday at Cinebels and even I tried the same combo at Cinebels. Jamo D509 + 7004 is deadly combo and amazed at the clarity and management of highs and lows. It sounds all the more enhanceed when you hear it back to back with Klipsch RF82. I would have bought D509 then and there but for my budget.

Another one that I would suggest is Paradigm monitor 11 which are again good for easy listening. Also check Epos.

AVR with a speaker is a bad audition in my experience.

Marantz 7004 is my pick for the Amps.

You can also check my journey on FS on the below link and share your experience on shortlists..hope it helps.

http://www.hifivision.com/what-shou...-first-hifi-started-floorstanders-2012-a.html
 
Hey John,

Guess we met yesterday at Cinebels and even I tried the same combo at Cinebels. Jamo D509 + 7004 is deadly combo and amazed at the clarity and management of highs and lows. It sounds all the more enhanceed when you hear it back to back with Klipsch RF82. I would have bought D509 then and there but for my budget.

Another one that I would suggest is Paradigm monitor 11 which are again good for easy listening. Also check Epos.

AVR with a speaker is a bad audition in my experience.

Marantz 7004 is my pick for the Amps.

You can also check my journey on FS on the below link and share your experience on shortlists..hope it helps.

http://www.hifivision.com/what-shou...-first-hifi-started-floorstanders-2012-a.html

Hey buddy,

Yes we met yesterday :). Even I was blown away with clarity and bass with D590. Sorry I was in a hurry so couldn't talk to you in detail. Researching on Jamo D590, I saw couple of people complaining about the down firing woofer getting broken. Don't know if this is a known problem with D 590.

BTW, I also got more options from fellow members. So my next audition list is

Cambridge Audio 840A with Monitor Audio and MS
Marantz with Dali Ikon 6

BTW, there is another amp from Marantz I am eyeing on - KI Pearl Lite. Its expensive that 7004, however there is a good discount going on in HiFimart.com.
 
Dear All,

I am planning to audition the following set this weekend

1. MA RX8 with CA 651 (CA 651 can drive MA RX8 as its a 4 ohm speaker)
2. MS Avino 6 with CA 651
3. Quad 22L2 with Quad amps
4. PSB T6 with NAD 356
5. Paradigm M7 with NAD 356.
6. Dali Ikon 6 with Marantz

I am looking for a warm/neutral sounding combination. I guess #1, #3 and #4 in the above list to satisfy my needs.

However I got a rate of 1,50,000/- for Zu Audio Omen Floorstander. I have heard the bookshelves with a tube amp and they are amazing. Zu Audio | A Revolution in American HiFi. I don't know whether I should bite the bullet and get those monsters home :D. Sad that I cant audition them in Bangalore!

BTW, I might skip the following combos as its going well above my budget of 1.5L for Amp + Speaker

1. B&W 683 + Rotel - cost 2L
2. Jamo C807 + Marantz - cost 2L

Thanks,
John.
 
Thank you core. Even I am now inclined towards Zu. Looking for the best and cheaper option to get them. I am looking at Zu omen floor standers. Essence is way outta my budget now.

Any amp recommendation for Zu omen floor standers?

Thanks,
John.
 
The One and only Lyrita Audio 2A3SET tube amp from one of the most respected members: Viren Bakshi (He is based in Delhi but a lot of people have his tube amps around the country and swear by it)
I believe it is around or under 50k

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Specifications

On that note, let me through a curveball.

There are three big contenders in India who are worth your attention for speakers if you're not hell bent on imported.

The first one is Lyrita Audio Harmony One, once again from years of research from Viren Ji
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Specifications

The second one is a newly designed ATL transmission line floorstander by Hari Iyer which he made for a Forum Member and friend Avidyarthy after almost 5 years of research.

I don't know how much it costs but It's well within 75k.
If you're looking for unquestionable bass you this is it.
Hari's on Vacation right now but you can find out more details from from this thread.
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The third is the internationally acclaimed cadence
http://www.cadenceaudio.com/products.htm

Their products are very expensive but it's very high end. You'll have to do a little research on their stuff if it interests you.
For example this is a very high end speaker they offer
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If you go for Harmony One+SET amp or the ATL transmission line speakers + A high end amp around 1 lakh, You will save almost 1 lakh in which you can invest in a Musical Fidelity external DAC and high end CD player within your 2 lakh budget.
 
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Any amp recommendation for Zu omen floor standers?
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They say Zu pairs very well with Leben amps. The speakers need just around 8 watts to get really loud. You can perhaps look at something from Lyrita. They should go well with Zu too, I think.
 
Antony,

KEFs are generally good speakers. One of the most senior audiophiles in Bangalore used to have an original classic from this brand ( 15 years old). I remember getting goosebumps after listening to them in his dedicated listening room. The associated electronics were Forte pre / power and very good cabling and excellently tuned setup.

Change your amplifier to some thing good ( no avrs !! ).Try and pick up the APs if you can and you will be in a completely different league. Get good cabling and play around with the speaker placement.

The source is of paramount importance. A dedicated cd player or Flacs on a laptop / pc. If you are doing the latter, you need a DAC which does asynchronous.
 
Antony,

KEFs are generally good speakers. One of the most senior audiophiles in Bangalore used to have an original classic from this brand ( 15 years old). I remember getting goosebumps after listening to them in his dedicated listening room. The associated electronics were Forte pre / power and very good cabling and excellently tuned setup.

Change your amplifier to some thing good ( no avrs !! ).Try and pick up the APs if you can and you will be in a completely different league. Get good cabling and play around with the speaker placement.

The source is of paramount importance. A dedicated cd player or Flacs on a laptop / pc. If you are doing the latter, you need a DAC which does asynchronous.

The KEFs I have is the entry level iQ7. They are indeed very good speakers. I am planning to use them for movies paired to Denon 2310. Unfortunately their bass response is not as I wanted. I tried them with dedicated amps (Denon integrated AMP 1050) and the bass was inadequate for my needs. And they sound brighter. Well that can be fixed with a neutral Amp.

I am going to get Oppo-95 as my CDP that seems to have one of the best DACs

Thanks,
John.
 
Dear All,

Today I spent some time auditioning some stereo systems. Here is what I could get and what I felt about them.

1. Klipsh Reference Series with Marantz Amp as PreAmp and Roksan Caspian Power Amp + Marantz CDP.

The sound stage and stereo imaging was good. The bass was missing and it was sounding pretty bright. Was no where comparable to Marantz + Jamo D590 I heard last week in the bass department. And it I don't think its any better than the KEF iQ7 I have.

2. MA RX-8 with Music Fidelity Integrated Amp + CA CDP
MA RX-8 with Cambridge Audio 651 Integrated Amp (Low wattage) + A tube based CDP
MS Messo 6 with both the above amps

The bass was pretty good given the smaller bass drivers (6.5"). And it was sounding very "detailed". I confused it with bright, but when we did a A-B comparison with MS Mezzo speakers that are very "warm", I could immediately feel that something is missing in MS Mezzo. Well I used to like the "warm" sounding setup, how ever the amount of detailing with MA RX-8 was something good to listen to. However, I think that long hours of listening would cause a listening fatigue. It was pretty good to hear at loud volumes. Well I felt that the clarity, instruments and vocal separation seems to have messed up with loud volumes. I felt the level of refinement is gone. I felt they are kind of got "mixed" up when the volume was turned up. It just started sounding LOUD that's all. I don't know if its just with me, but when I listen to Rock music at some PUBs, they are very loud, at the same time they are very refined and you never feel that the sound is getting mixed up. The vocals are very clear and separated from the instruments.

4. B&W 683 with Denon 2312 AVR.

As expected, it was nothing great to write about. I wanted to try B&W with a stereo amp. The dealer didn't have a stereo amp. I didnt spend much time there as it was sounding similar to my setup albeit for some more bass. But that bass didn't sound good for stereo music.

5. Quad 22L2 with Marantz AVR with a regular DVD player
6. Quad 22L2 with NAD with a regular DVD player

In both the cases, I found the vocals were clear and nicely separated from instruments. The setup sounded good with low volumes. But again when I increased the volume, the same story happened, everything sounded mixed up. No clear separation. I do listen to my music at a high volume. I couldn't find the Quad 22L2 to be a major improvement over my Kef iQ7. But the dealer was raving about this speaker and was saying they are not run-in and if the amplification and transport + DAC is better, they will produce wonders. However, I feel my Kef iQ7 can also produce the same "wonders" if I feed it with a good stereo amp and better transport + DAC.

Now I agree 101% with what coreElement said. He was accurate on saying that its not Kef iQ7 that is the weak link in my setup, but the Denon 2310. I think Kef iQ7 is really capable, may not be as good as MA RX8 or B&W 683, but i don't think I wont get an exceptional improvement in sound quality upgrading to MA RX8 or B&W 683.

I think if I need an upgrade, I need to go a level up and increase my budget and get Zu Omen floor standers and a tube pre amp and a tube amp. I am yet to speak with Lyrita about their tube amps and their own speakers. Seem like they also make high efficient speakers to work with tube amps. The only issue is I will have to travel to Delhi to audition both Zu and Lyrita as I can't get them in Bangalore :(.

However, I do feel that Jamo D590 is indeed an upgrade to Kef iQ7, mainly for their bass output. But the fact that its a discontinued model and Cinebels is still asking for the MRP is putting me off from considering this option.

I think if I go for Jamo D590 and get a Marantz Pearl KI Lite / Roksan Kandy K2 amp, I will have a decent stereo setup.

I would like to ask the same question once again. What are the other speakers with a budget of 1-1.5L that can perform as good as Jamo D590 that still sounds refined at loud volumes?

Thanks,
John.
 
jka,

i agree with square wave.. i see you already have pretty good speakers in the kef's. Why not start with a stereo amp and a good source first ?

why not look around in bangalore and req
 
sorry.. msg got truncated.. what i was saying was .. you could get a strereo amp on loan for a few days from any friendly FM in bangalore and check out your own Kef's first..

whats the guarantee that by gloing in for Zu or Lyrita or any other brand will lead you to audio nirvana ?

The bang for the buck decreases as you go higher up the price chain.

rgds,
mpw
 
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