Listening Impression - Shanti's System
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square_wave
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Hey Shanti,
Just wondering - why did you not consider the passlabs integrated models ( the class A or a/b versions) when you considered an integrated amplfier.
https://passlabs.com/products/amplifiers/integrated/int-150
Just wondering - why did you not consider the passlabs integrated models ( the class A or a/b versions) when you considered an integrated amplfier.
https://passlabs.com/products/amplifiers/integrated/int-150
bhagwan
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Yes;
Excellent Suggestion.
I have owned Wayne Colburn's work in the past & have high regard for it.
This would have been a good product to consider...
Why did I not buy it ?
a]
The E-550 was available - in India - there is a D & D for it.
b]
Warranty / Service etc. all is present.
c]
The E-550 is the highest rated int amp in the German Press - so I went for it.
d]
The E-550 is pure class A while this is class A/B - I used to have a pure class A Amplifier - GAD in the past & have a soft corned for them.
All said, the Accuphase is an excellent product.
Build is beautiful & the Sound is good too.
Just that I like the CC's more.
Therefore I went back tot he CC's & purchased the Allnic to use with it.
Hence the E-550 is for sale...
[My price too is great - 50 % mark down for a 200 hour used amplifier]
:licklips:
bhagwan
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This is the Allnic Pre :-
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Another pic of the same pre - Allnic - S Korea
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This is the back - connections i.e.
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Main Electronics;
PRE + DAC + Computer + Power Amplifiers
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Cross View - Same as above;
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This is the Back of the CC;
Silencable Symphony Power Cord & Speaker Cable [reverse shot gun] - Audiaz I/C [I have not used the Silencable Symphony I/C]
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p.s. Sorry for pic quality - this is i5 for you;;;[actually my photography skills are rather poor] ! :indifferent14:
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Another pic of the same pre - Allnic - S Korea
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This is the back - connections i.e.
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Main Electronics;
PRE + DAC + Computer + Power Amplifiers
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Cross View - Same as above;
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This is the Back of the CC;
Silencable Symphony Power Cord & Speaker Cable [reverse shot gun] - Audiaz I/C [I have not used the Silencable Symphony I/C]
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p.s. Sorry for pic quality - this is i5 for you;;;[actually my photography skills are rather poor] ! :indifferent14:
This is the Back of the CC;
Silencable Symphony Power Cord & Speaker Cable [reverse shot gun] - Audiaz I/C [I have not used the Silencable Symphony I/C]
bhagwan,
What is the material you have used to cover the power and speaker cables? Looks like some sort of plastic wrap from the pictures but am curious to know the function and material used.
bhagwan
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Simple Kitchen Shrink Wrap; What is used to pack sandwiches etc.
The Silencable Symphony Cables - Power & Speaker - are white in colour.
Due to dust & environment reasons I have clad the cables in this plastic.
It is not a good thing from the audio point of view - but it protects the cable & is a partial insurance when you need to re-sell the cables....
I would not advise this being done - audio point of view;
bhagwan
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Sir,
I do not know the 'technical' reason why; but when you listen to a cable without the 'plastic' & with the 'plastic' they do sound 'different'
Maybe it is some form of 'skin effect' - I do not know.
It is like 'cable lifters' - I do not know the technical reason why, but cables placed on lifters do sound different viz-a-viz the same placed on the ground - my observations at least;;
Given a choice, I would not wrap my cables in shrink wrap; but alas - selling them too crosses my mind - so commercial considerations do take over...
[I am sorry sir, I could not answer your question in depth-I do not have a technical answer for it]:sad:
I'm very intrigued about this. Could you kindly elaborate on the 'difference' in SQ terms?
bhagwan
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Sir,
I am sure all this reads like snake oil to your ears;
However, there is a difference in sound....
You see, people are not ready to accept that cables make a difference [a]
Then there are people that suggest that power cords do not matter
Then you have the ones that say that digital cables are not important [c]
USB & Firewire Cables do not make a difference [d]
etc. etc.
This list can go on and on;;;;
However, to me all this makes a change in sound - for the better or for the worse is a matter of personal interpretation....
There are a few things that we need to understand here;
a]
System's resolution - it all boils down to what your set up can resolve..
b]
How much practice has the listener put into audio...
[a] is simple - the higher the better;
is where the biggest problem is - we are all trying to get better fidelity from our systems - I think...
But in this quest, where we stand as individuals is also important...
Can I narrate a story - please...
Many years back - 2001 / 2 it may have been;
I was in Singapore.
I wanted to replace my Bryston BP-26 Pre.
I was auditioning several systems - all over the place - demo cd's writing notes etc. all that was at its top [for me at least]
Then I entered a room of Mr. Mark Han @ Reference Audio in Adelphi.
He had a Rockport Technology Merak & Sheraton set up there with GAD Pre & Power with dCS Elgar & Metronome digital front end,.
This was the 1st time I realised that the 'set - up' was leagues ahead of my listening ability - what the sound did was great - but I had not matured to understand it - it was a 'bouncer' for me....
The same thing happened to me in 2003 in Frankfurt.
When I heard the Gryphon Audio Design Cantata Speaker - it was a product that I could not understand - only a few years later did it down on me - what that set up was all about & what it tried to communicate to me...
I was the 'weak' link in that chain.
I had not matured as a listener.
I could not make out - what the system was doing - instrument interplay - musicians talking [via music] spaces - darkness etc. etc.
All this is very difficult to write & explain - that is why I never became a 'reviewer' - I cannot express myself in words....
But, if we meet, I will try and make you understand what I have in my mind...
It has to be lived to be understood...
There are lots of 'layers' in music - it takes a life time & more to get deep into it....
Someone that knows what I am saying may understand - to others this is all 'hog wash' what I write here - so do excuse me - I apologise for this long post..
only 2 things I can think of would be
1. most insulation over cables are designed for some di-electric value to manage the cpacitance. which does impact the voicing of a cable.. maybe this changes the same.
2. most wraps do attract Static and this can cause some change in the signal
I personally would suspect 2.
but then this very well could be the ramblings of a stray audiophile mind with limited knowledge..unless someone can explain the difference better
Of course there would be others who will say there cannot be a difference and thats a discussion i would not want to venture into and knowing "shanti" If he says he can hear a difference, then at least as far as i am concerned, it is there
1. most insulation over cables are designed for some di-electric value to manage the cpacitance. which does impact the voicing of a cable.. maybe this changes the same.
2. most wraps do attract Static and this can cause some change in the signal
I personally would suspect 2.
but then this very well could be the ramblings of a stray audiophile mind with limited knowledge..unless someone can explain the difference better
Of course there would be others who will say there cannot be a difference and thats a discussion i would not want to venture into and knowing "shanti" If he says he can hear a difference, then at least as far as i am concerned, it is there
Isn't kitchen shrink wrap aluminium foil? If it is so, naturally it will create some problems. Especially in the upper registers. However if its plastic, then as Arj mentioned its a new dielectric introduced which can cause issues.
Bhagwan, why don't you try putting your cables in a pure cotton sleeve? Cotton creates much less problems and also your concern about dirt is taken care of.
Bhagwan, why don't you try putting your cables in a pure cotton sleeve? Cotton creates much less problems and also your concern about dirt is taken care of.
Thad E Ginathom
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No. no. this is entirely different: it is the transparent stuff that sticks to itself. I don't think it should be called "shrink" wrap. Shrink wrap is the process where goods are packaged in a film that shrinks to fit and mould itself around them.
This stuff is cling film. "Cling," because it clings to itself.
Whilst being a bit "a," some b and c, and definately d, it is always interesting to see rational reasoning as to why these things (apart from our own brains, which are the biggest factor, and the one that always gets left out of the conversation) could actually make a difference.
The cling film seems like a great way to keep the cable finish pristine, and even to prevent any tarnishing of the connector body. Cotton is just going to let through fine dust. I'm sure Shanti has come up with the most practical solution, even if it comes at some cost.
This stuff is cling film. "Cling," because it clings to itself.
Whilst being a bit "a," some b and c, and definately d, it is always interesting to see rational reasoning as to why these things (apart from our own brains, which are the biggest factor, and the one that always gets left out of the conversation) could actually make a difference.
The cling film seems like a great way to keep the cable finish pristine, and even to prevent any tarnishing of the connector body. Cotton is just going to let through fine dust. I'm sure Shanti has come up with the most practical solution, even if it comes at some cost.
Sir,
I am sure all this reads like snake oil to your ears;
However, there is a difference in sound....
You see, people are not ready to accept that cables make a difference [a]
Then there are people that suggest that power cords do not matter
Then you have the ones that say that digital cables are not important [c]
USB & Firewire Cables do not make a difference [d]
etc. etc.
This list can go on and on;;;;
However, to me all this makes a change in sound - for the better or for the worse is a matter of personal interpretation....
There are a few things that we need to understand here;
a]
System's resolution - it all boils down to what your set up can resolve..
b]
How much practice has the listener put into audio...
[a] is simple - the higher the better;
is where the biggest problem is - we are all trying to get better fidelity from our systems - I think...
But in this quest, where we stand as individuals is also important...
Can I narrate a story - please...
Many years back - 2001 / 2 it may have been;
I was in Singapore.
I wanted to replace my Bryston BP-26 Pre.
I was auditioning several systems - all over the place - demo cd's writing notes etc. all that was at its top [for me at least]
Then I entered a room of Mr. Mark Han @ Reference Audio in Adelphi.
He had a Rockport Technology Merak & Sheraton set up there with GAD Pre & Power with dCS Elgar & Metronome digital front end,.
This was the 1st time I realised that the 'set - up' was leagues ahead of my listening ability - what the sound did was great - but I had not matured to understand it - it was a 'bouncer' for me....
The same thing happened to me in 2003 in Frankfurt.
When I heard the Gryphon Audio Design Cantata Speaker - it was a product that I could not understand - only a few years later did it down on me - what that set up was all about & what it tried to communicate to me...
I was the 'weak' link in that chain.
I had not matured as a listener.
I could not make out - what the system was doing - instrument interplay - musicians talking [via music] spaces - darkness etc. etc.
All this is very difficult to write & explain - that is why I never became a 'reviewer' - I cannot express myself in words....
But, if we meet, I will try and make you understand what I have in my mind...
It has to be lived to be understood...
There are lots of 'layers' in music - it takes a life time & more to get deep into it....
Someone that knows what I am saying may understand - to others this is all 'hog wash' what I write here - so do excuse me - I apologise for this long post..
Very well expressed IMHO. What you say is correct. We all go through the process little by little...
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