I am trying different positions too, haven’t got to the “lock” point yet.
Cushions/Pillows on the walls are on my list now. If it works, then acoustic panels?
Cushions/Pillows on the walls are on my list now. If it works, then acoustic panels?
What is the width of front wall?
keith_correa
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Simplistically speaking:
Speakers have baffle step compensation (BSC) built in their crossover. The frequencies with lengths shorter than the width of the baffle radiate energy (most of it!) forward and those longer than the baffle wrap around the sides of the baffle which is a loss. This is compensated for in the crossover. Now this wrapped around energy is re-radiated back at the listener depending on proximity to room boundaries. Full BSC built in is typically 6dB. If 6dB, and if placed close to room boundaries then lower mids are b(l)oomy. If half BSC (3dB) is built in then placement close to boundaries sounds balanced. It's a balancing act. Manufacturers do not usually state how much BSC is built into their speaker - instead they (usually) recommend distance from boundaries. If not specified, one needs to correspond with them and ask them how much is ideal - they will always tell you. Then there is room gain - another animal!
Now all this is theoretical. I'm sure you guys know and understand this but I reiterate - whatever the speaker is, however well designed it be - your room WILL screw up the sound.
Speakers have baffle step compensation (BSC) built in their crossover. The frequencies with lengths shorter than the width of the baffle radiate energy (most of it!) forward and those longer than the baffle wrap around the sides of the baffle which is a loss. This is compensated for in the crossover. Now this wrapped around energy is re-radiated back at the listener depending on proximity to room boundaries. Full BSC built in is typically 6dB. If 6dB, and if placed close to room boundaries then lower mids are b(l)oomy. If half BSC (3dB) is built in then placement close to boundaries sounds balanced. It's a balancing act. Manufacturers do not usually state how much BSC is built into their speaker - instead they (usually) recommend distance from boundaries. If not specified, one needs to correspond with them and ask them how much is ideal - they will always tell you. Then there is room gain - another animal!
Now all this is theoretical. I'm sure you guys know and understand this but I reiterate - whatever the speaker is, however well designed it be - your room WILL screw up the sound.
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lightgamer
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But of course. 42 is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything
oldmonk
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What was the question anyway ?
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oldmonk
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So it's time to hitch hike my way to the galaxy then ...Douglas Adams never specified it.
)Latter is possible still
LOL !
Isnt that the fun in the journey ? often frustrating and sometimes infuriating..but fun
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oldmonk
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so @SachinChavan and @Goldenears
did you move your speakers ? or were they already in an unequal metric.
did you move your speakers ? or were they already in an unequal metric.
for the former to be possible one doesn't have to travel to Mars but rather travel inwards...opposite direction
Well saidfor the former to be possible one doesn't have to travel to Mars but rather travel inwards...opposite direction
but deep thought was set the task..need to wait another 7.5 Million - 40 yearsDouglas Adams never specified it.
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@oldmonk, mine are already in unequal metric.so @SachinChavan and @Goldenears
did you move your speakers ? or were they already in an unequal metric.
for the former to be possible one doesn't have to travel to Mars but rather travel inwards...opposite direction
If I start with the speakers very close to the front wall and move them out bit by bit, then they sound best when the front baffle is 45 inches (115cms) from the front wall. Less than this they sound muffled, more than this they lose focus. Focus is regained at around 2.5 meters, but why should I pull them out so much at the cost of precious real estate?
In my case, I hit the optimum position only after trespassing the prohibited range of 1 -2.2m. So while the various recommendations may be fine in theory and good starting points, I think it is totally worth the effort, even if impractical, to do a speaker crawl.
In my case, I hit the optimum position only after trespassing the prohibited range of 1 -2.2m. So while the various recommendations may be fine in theory and good starting points, I think it is totally worth the effort, even if impractical, to do a speaker crawl.
Fiftyfity, 1-2.2m is a guideline. It’s not cast in stone. Nothing is in audio
But you also did lose focus between 1.15-2.5m. In some cases it could be 0.9 to 2.1m
I should probably rephrase it as 1-2.2m plus minus 20%
There are just too many variables at play. Any speaker placement methodology is just a guideline. Ultimately you will have to fine tune to your room and your personal preference
But you also did lose focus between 1.15-2.5m. In some cases it could be 0.9 to 2.1m
I should probably rephrase it as 1-2.2m plus minus 20%
There are just too many variables at play. Any speaker placement methodology is just a guideline. Ultimately you will have to fine tune to your room and your personal preference
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@Fiftyfifty, do you have a cabinet or other solid object between your speakers?
I agree 100 percent Prem. I wasn't even aware there was a 'no go' range, but have discovered there is one.Fiftyfity, 1-2.2m is a guideline. It’s not cast in stone. Nothing is in audio
But you also did lose focus between 1.15-2.5m. In some cases it could be 0.9 to 2.1m
I should probably rephrase it as 1-2.2m plus minus 20%
There are just too many variables at play. Any speaker placement methodology is just a guideline. Ultimately you will have to fine tune to your room and your personal preference
As for the many variables, our relative perception of SQ too is a big variable. When I move from my OB full rangers with their mid range clarity to my more balanced Spendors, the Spendors initially appear less resolving and it takes a while for my ears to adjust to the change.
Yes Sachin, I have my audio rack between the speakers.... can't avoid that. Fortunately no tv! I overcome the adverse impact of the rack by placing Rock wool panels across their front
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