My experience with Tecnics Sl-Q3

santnai

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I recently got preowned TT in very good condition with new cartridge AT-91. I badly want to test it with my setup hence I got the new vinyl of Silsilla. The reason I choose this vinyl because I have the CD and can compare CD vs vinyl.

For comparison my source were
Technics->Marantz PM7004->MA RX-6
Oppo BD83->MF m1 dac->Marantz PM7004->MA RX-6

I played the track "Dekha ek khwab" on cd & lp and I kept on swapping from vinyl to cd and to me cd was sounding with more dynamics.
I am new to vinyl world and I had a great expectation.
 
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Hi santnai,

AT-91 is not the cartridge to test compare Vinyl vs CD. Try with Shure M97xE and compare.

Just my Rs.2/-.

N.Murali
 
Hi Murali,
I wanted to have the feel of vinyl world so I went with AT-91 an entry level cartridge. I have the upgradation plan but will it make lots of difference? I was expecting vinyl to sound better than CD with entry level cartridge.

Regards,
Santosh
 
Santosh, there are 2 things wrong here: 1. The new vinyls of silsila are bad digital remasters. Try getting the old copy.
2. The AT 91 is a really crappy cart. Get at least a Shure cart. Or a Ortofon. Then do a comparison.
 
My Rs 800 went in a drain. I was under the impression that digital remasterred version will be better. Surely I will upgrade to Shure or Ortofon & will compare.

BTW how is TT?

Regards,
Santosh
 
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Re: My experience with Technics Sl-Q3

Hi Malvai,
I know u are a vinyl guru. Can u Pl suggest some model # for the Cart which can gel well with my TT and give me a result which I am expcting and also how much it will cost?
 
Re: My experience with Technics Sl-Q3

Hi Malvai,
I know u are a vinyl guru. Can u Pl suggest some model # for the Cart which can gel well with my TT and give me a result which I am expcting and also how much it will cost?

Shure M97xe,At-440MLA,Denon Dl-110 or Ortofon Om-10/20/30 would suit your arm.An outboard phonostage will also improve the sound.

Regards,
Sachin
 
Re: My experience with Technics Sl-Q3

The cartridges mentioned here are all fantastic, all of them will result in excellent SQ

get a used copy of original SILSILA, check manually, make sure it doesn't have visual groove damage, it will cost you <200/-, clean the LP under running cold water, dry it, use a anti static brush to wipe out the static, hook your line out of the preamp/tape out of the amp to a decent sound card (any one of Creative,ASUS above 1000 bucks), record it in FLAC, or 320 kbps MP3, play the digital file in your set up, conduct the A/B test, result will be clear and convincing to you

this result will be same in every bollywood OST except for those of T-series that have a DDD audio CD

only hitch is after doing all these, if you are serious in sound, you will enter into the wallet draining analog listening world, and within no time you will not have any money left (courtesy rare LPs of worth 5K-10K each) at the end of a month to pay for your cell phone bill, all the best

Arnab
 
i'd go with all of sachu's suggestions... also you can go for his cnc build for a external phono. it will dramatically improve the sq...
 
santnai, believe this or not, you are dealing with some serious guys into vinyl here but let me attempt to put things into perspective for you

The terms "quality", "fidelity", etc are extremely subjective and have huge dependencies. Some of these dependencies are as follows:

1) The type of music you listen to
2) The type of equipment you've been used to listening to
3) Whether you are a serious or casual listener
4) Your hi-fi gear
5) Your listening room
6) some additional factors (eg: the type of fan you use in your room, even whether you keep the windows or doors open while listening or on a funnier note, even if your ears are clear of ear wax, etc) and last but not the least,
7) What you perceive to be the benchmark for "quality" and "fidelity"

I was a guy who grew up on cassette staple with home brew equipment (of my own design) which was customized for heavy metal music (shrill trebles and heavy bass). All the fundamental audiophile rules (so as to say) were broken here, things like speakers kept on the floor, near the room corners, use of a double active tone control (one fed into the other for extreme boost) and what not. It was hightly impressive to those who passed by our house (the powerful and booming sound) and I really enjoyed it. When I graduated to working and earning, decided to get some good gear, a friend asked me to listen to NAD and I did so. I remember when I first heared the NAD play, I asked the owner, why is the tone control in maximum treble/bass cut mode. To my shock, he told me that the tone controls were actually in full boost mode, and he kept it that way because he knew that I was used to listening to highly coloured sound. His usual listening position was "flat". My first impression was, Rs.35,000 for a NAD 106 preamp and a NAD 216thx poweramp that sounded so pathetic. But the guy was good enough to let me listen to the setup for some time. After about 3 hours of listening, I realized that not only could I listen to the music for 3 hours but also wanted to listen for some more time. With my earlier setup, I could listen to only 1 album at a time.

Anyways, to keep the topic short, and I'm trying to be extremely honest here, if your benchmark of audio fidelity is your CD (not sure if its an original CD or an MP3 one), you'll need a very high end turntable with an extremely expensive cartridge and an andiophile original (analogue) mastered LP to match it. Your Technics turntable with Audio Technica cartridge and Silsila LP will not be able to match it. There are so many variables when it comes to listening to vinyl as the guys on the forum have attempted to explain to you. When it comes to your CD player, just plug it into any amp with speakers and you'll get sound out of it. For a turntable, you need a good turntable, a well configured tonearm, an above average cartridge, a good phono preamp and most importantly, a good LP to create above average fidelity.

There is also another factor associated with this which a lot of the modern generation may not understand. Playing an LP is a different feeling. That brings out a special feeling of enjoyment in guys like me who grew up listening to LPs (in the late 1970s and 1980s). For the new generation, an iPOD connected to an amp and speakers tends to seem more practical and sound better. Anyways, these are my personal thoughts.

My opinion would be for you to remember for a start that a turntable is not a plug-and-play device like a CD player, hence just picking up an old one, and attempting to get it to play is not a fair way to judge it.

Give yourself some time, look at your equipment, listen to more records. Visit a friend who has a turntable and listen to his rig. Talk a lot about your experience on this forum and engage our very knowledgeable members like sachu888, microflex, omishra, malvai, etc for clearning your doubts and get the vinyl feel into you first. I'm sure you'll come back after a year and say, "My vinyl sounds better than my CD"

Now for the anticlimax: I actually did what you did (you can see the equipment I use from my signature). I got hold of an original CD of Jhoota Hi Sahi and of course, bought the LP of Jhoota Hi Sahi, put my equipment behind a curtain and made my wife listen to the track, "Call me dhil" on both formats. She came back saying that the CD sounded better but only because she could not hear any ticks (I did'nt clean the record before playing it). However she could not tell the difference between the 2, from a fidelity perspective (I was not surprised as I was sure that the LP in question was mastered from a digital source).....and yes, I still play my music with the treble and bass turned up..!!

Welcome to the world of vinyl and don't be disappointed, I'm sure if you do the right things, you'll be another of the many fanatic vinyl supporters like myself, on this forum.
 
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I got this TT from one of the known person and I paid 16K for it by looking at the condition. This TT was hardly used for 20 hrs or so and then it was kept in a box they never used it.

I am not very sure whether 16K is a good deal or not?
 
I have just received my Denon DL-110 High Output Moving Coil cartridge. All I can say is that before I upgraded from my Audio Technica entry level MM cartridge to this Denon Cart, I was living in denial. This has opened my eyes and I feel foolish for not upgrading to this cartridge earlier than when I did.

I am mighty pleased with the cartridge already. God knows how this gets even better when it burns in for 50hrs or so.

Go for a cartridge upgrade to unleash the true potential of your vinyls.

Cheers
Kartick
 
Hi Santosh,
You are lucky to have found a good Technics TT and also received some fabulous guidance on this thread.

I am glad you started this thread and shared your thoughts as many people give up at this stage itself. Thumb rule is never to compare with basic cart / basic TT or basic phonostage. In your case you just need a better cart and a good phonostage at a later stage.

Drop by anytime to my place, I will play my Silsila LP (old version) and also your CD. You can hear the difference for yourself:).

PS: Nagendra (my ex-colleague and your current team-mate) knows the way to my place. Come along with him, he has been wanting to come as well:).


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